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I don't see how that's weird at all? I can send "enriched messages" to other Discord users, but I can't do that from Discord to Matrix. Or from Discord to SMS. I can't text my friend's Instagram either. I don't dare say whether or not I can mail a post onto the fediverse because that definitely sounds like some niche functionality someone has implemented (or thought to implement) somewhere.
Doesn't Google have that exact same thing anyway?
What a weird thing to take issue with. Like yeah I'd obviously prefer it if there was a widely adopted open standard that everyone could use, but that's not how capitalism works, is it?
That’s why regulation exists.
Oh I'd love for our governments to get their collective hands out of their arseholes and actually start regulating.
Wouldn’t it be nice
That's weird because it's against the law.
A recent (few months ago) EU law mandates that if your platform is big enough (in the EU market) to gatekeep users from using other platforms, then it must interoperate with competing services. That means you should thrive because you make a better product, and not because it has more users.
The fine is a considerable percentage of the company's earnings, that supposedly even the likes of Amazon and Google cannot overlook.
This includes Whatsapp that in a few months will have to be interoperable with competing services like telegram. This requires a protocol, the IETF is working on that. Google probably wishes to use RCS, but Matrix is also working with the IETF.
Apple says iMessage is not that widespread in the EU and should not be included, Google says it is and should be regulated, that's because this regulation will most likely have effects even outside the EU.
I'm not surprised they'd say that, even though it's a bald-faced lie. iMessages isn't an opt-in service, you can't even opt-out of it; it's fully automatic. If your text recipient has an iPhone and can use iMessages, it's sent via that. There seems to be a way to opt-out of this in settings. though I've not tried it myself.
You say iMessage isn’t an opt-out service, then immediately state the setting option that allows users to opt out. Yes, if you toggle off iMessage you will send via SMS instead and won’t be sending through iMessage at all.
Ha, what a blooper. What I meant was that you're never presented with an option to send via text rather than iMessage, but have to dig through the settings app to change it.
Okay, that makes a lot more sense. Though all my experience with an active apple device, there’s a default to send a failed iMessage as an SMS so it’s essentially covered. iMessage just allows like-devices to communicate via internet connection rather than phone towers.
Ah that’s probably the case here too. I just don’t text people, or use iMessage very much.
I think it's weird because:
Source
Is completely bullshit. It's not secure, they can be read because iMessage is the way you send texts to Android as well as iOS, and apples absolute refusal to budge or to adopt other standards means that regulation is the only way to modernize a 30 year old protocol.
This is not accurate. iMessages are only sent between Apple devices, you cannot send an iMessage to android, or any other non-Apple device.
I think they're getting away with it because of the phrasing.
Messages sent through the iMessage service are encrypted, but not all messages you sent through the Messages (note the lack of i) app are iMessage messages. It's the exact type of fucking sneaky bullshit that should be regulated so hard it stops existing, but I guess our regulators don't think it's a big deal right now.
@edinbruh@feddit.it mentions in another comment that
And I think this is how Apple would "sneak" through this as well. The Messages app doesn't lock you into a communications protocol. If the recipient has iMessages, it sends via that, if not, it sends via SMS/MMS. No idea if that argument would hold, I hope it wouldn't. I would honestly prefer it if there was just a single open messaging standard that anyone could hook into, because closed proprietary tech is fucking bullshit on every single level.
As someone who occasionally meets people with Android phones, yes, I’d like to see “chartreuse bubbles” for RCS in Messages
Then again, I was a huge fan of Pidgin back in the days, with its goal to speak every texting protocol