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"Every day Biden chooses to fund genocide, he loses support," said Sunrise Movement.

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[–] SkepticalButOpenMinded@lemmy.ca 32 points 1 year ago (4 children)

From the perspective of realpolitik, I’m not convinced abandoning support for Israel will win him more votes from pro-Palestine groups than he loses from pro-Israel groups. Lots of moderate Americans support Israel implicitly.

Either way, it’s politically costly with no upside for him. I think Biden’s only hope on this file is for the Gaza war to end quickly before the next election, but I don’t see that happening. Looks like Israel’s plan is an indefinite multi-year occupation of Gaza under an authoritarian police state.

[–] silverbax@lemmy.world 7 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

If you asked the average American what the difference was between Palestine, Hamas, Hezbollah and AL Queda, they wouldn't know. I'm not saying that's a good thing, but there sure are a lot of media articles that seem to be based on an American populace that doesn't match up to their logic.

[–] Poteryashka@lemmy.ml 6 points 1 year ago (1 children)

In the perspective of realpolitik, he's fucked anyways. He's down >10 points with young voters, and currently below Trump in swing states polling (just 1 so far, could be meaningless as a metric, but still relevant). DNC will support Israel because they're a major political donor. The Ds went too hard to fast early in this conflict and it's too late to backpedal. He'll have to try really hard to either try to win back the young votes, or appeal to the moderates and never-Trump Republicans.

This whole election cycle is bizarre, nobody wants neither Trump nor Biden. Their favorability is abysmal, one's about to go to jail while the other appears to be half dead. I honestly wish we had decent 3rd party infrastructure and rank choice voting, but I don't think we'll be breaking through this 2 party bs this cycle.

[–] Cethin@lemmy.zip 4 points 1 year ago

If a third party stood any chance for president, this coming election would be the one. However, I wouldn't advise anyone to do so unless you really don't have the slightest preference somehow. There isn't a chance, it's just better than every other time but still 0.

[–] Doorbook@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Maybe looking for ceasefire? Accountability of how Isreal use billions of dollars? Maybe Nato can go there and slowly stop hamas with targetd attack?

There are a lot of options the biggest military in the world can decide on, and yet he doesn't show any sign of compassion or remorse of innocent human life.

[–] Pips@lemmy.sdf.org 5 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Just FYI Israel isn't in NATO, though it is part of the Mediterranean Dialogue.

[–] TokenBoomer@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Electioneering a genocide will surely work in his favor.

I think neither will work in his favor politically. But honestly, given what I know about the American electorate, I unfortunately suspect that "pro-genocide" may be politically safer.