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[–] Covoid@lemm.ee 39 points 1 year ago (5 children)

I don't think this is unreasonable. Citizens in occupied territory won't be able to vote and elections would just add pressure to a country that's fighting a major conflict on its own soil.

However I would expect Zelensky to hold free and fair elections as soon as the conflict ends, especially if he wants Ukraine to be part of the EU and eventually NATO

[–] Kbin_space_program@kbin.social 36 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Not to mention that Russia would absolutely bomb voting centers.

[–] Hexadecimalkink@lemmy.ml 0 points 1 year ago

You're confused with the country bombing hospitals right now.

[–] ursakhiin@beehaw.org 0 points 1 year ago

And then claim Ukraine did it.

[–] Doubledee@hexbear.net 7 points 1 year ago

Pressure to do what?

As someone who lives in a country that's been in more or less continuous conflict since I was born I would be pretty upset if the leadership here decided elections couldn't happen during wartime.

[–] GarbageShoot@hexbear.net 6 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Zelensky has openly declared many times that the war would not end until Crimea (a territory Ukraine did not control when Zelensky was elected) was taken back, despite there being no hope of such a victory for the Ukrainian government. He has created a set of parameters where, if he is consistent with what he says, there will never be an election for as long as he survives.

For someone who was elected on the basis of promising to take a more conciliatory stance to the breakaway states, perhaps to avoid exactly the conflict he lead Ukraine into, this shit cannot be reasonable.

[–] copandballtorture@hexbear.net 2 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Zelensky wasn't elected to be a wartime leader; his mandate from the public was to do the opposite. Perhaps he has won over some citizens during the conflict, but he owes it to the people of Ukraine to give them the choice to pursue peace.

[–] Doubledee@hexbear.net 7 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I don't even understand what the stakes are from his perspective, he's already banned like a dozen political parties and nobody cares, what do you have to fear holding an election when you're allowed to ban people who oppose you? It's a free rubber stamp basically, you get democracy points and to renew your mandate by being the only legal option, it's a win win.

How would that peace negotiation go with a country like Russia?

[–] Infamousblt@hexbear.net -4 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I don't think this is unreasonable

Not surprised that an .ee doesn't find "literal fascism" unreasonable.

I thought the entire reason that the white western world has been pouring untold amounts of money and resources into this small part of the world was to uphold and protect democracy? Funny how quickly that excuse just vaporizes the absolute second it's not convenient anymore.