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Lmao you're trying really hard to make this deep
Yes and no, while i do agree that this is considered normal behaviour, i also long for a world in which we would be able to say "there's a bombing !" with as much anguish whether its in 'the U.S.'/Europe, or in the Middle-East, Africa, etc.
It's not that much normal i think, and more the sign of a current problem.
We are able to do that lmao
Yeah no, we don't , double standard is everywhere. People would be surprised that you're touched as much by something happening in your "tribe" than outside of it.
Just take the massacre currently happening in Palestine if you want the most recent example, some lives are more important to us than others, there's a difference between what we proclaim our values to be and our practice of them.
We could be united in diversity though, instead of hating so many countries
Don't move the goalposts. You didn't say we don't. You said we aren't able. We absolutely are.
You're taking a quirk of language and trying to spin some commentary on human nature out of it.
Fuck off with your pseudo-intelelctual bullshit. All the sentence needs is "in Gaza" and you'll get the response you were looking for. Stop trying to make people hate humanity, thanks.
If your goal is to engender love between "tribes" (stupid fucking word in this age) then stop spreading hate for any reason, even if the reason is that people don't immediately assume "across the world" when you vaguely refer to events.
Oh, i agree then, except in the case of apology of terrorism/enemies.
And indeed Palestine is easy( tell that to our medias and governments though), but i'd be interested if you know of a counter-example to our double standards(, at least once we're interested in a conflict, it's at this moment that we attribute a range of good and evil people, and are disinterested in the fate of the supposedly evil ones).
And the initial thread was more, since it is showerthoughts, that i haven't thought of things that way, it is indeed a true statement, and more because of tribalism than the way language work, but w/e if i was wrong(, and one option doesn't exclude the other anyway).
Why do you keep trying to connect this to the outdated notion of tribes? You seem to have a conclusion planned and are trying to build arguments towards it. That's not how logic works.
Tribes or nationalism, what's the difference except perhaps size ?
I'm just explaining why i saw an interest in this sentence.
And if it's a commentary on human nature, then we're fucked, i like the current meaning of being humane. I know we're capable of the best, we're simply not perfect and must improve, abandoning tribalism/nationalism and helping each other has been asked for millenias and it may happen but i hope it won't be at the cost of our diversity.
Did you hear me championing nationalism?
You're all over the place, dude.
Okay??
I can agree here.
I believe it can happen, without sacrificing diversity.
Then we agree 👍
Fuck no. I don't agree that someone can be assumed selfish and tribalistic for not reading your mind when you vaguely refer to tragedy.
Let me try: there's been a murder! Can you guess where it was??
You're absolutely right, the truthfulness of this sentence doesn't teach us that someone is tribalistic by assuming it happened locally.
It's only my assumption that an answer to "in the Middle-East" would be "Ah ? Ok, i was afraid for a while(, i thought it was on our side)" that made me thought that. I understand that it was received as an unfair accusation yet i included myself in this and found this assumption more interesting by its truthfulness.
As i wrote in the selftext :
In the end, i found this statement more interesting than it ought to be, as if it taught us something. Our actions are tribal/destructive and there's enough proof for this, but this statement isn't one of them.
No “we” don’t, or no you don’t? Seems to me like you just assume everyone is exactly the same kind of bigot as you.
No man, we care much more about deaths in the west than outside of it, e.g. in the u.s.a. instead of Iraq, or Israel instead of Palestine, partly because we divide between supposedly good western civilians and evil terrorists with human shields, tsk.
5.4 million people have died in Congo between 1998 and 2008, wouldn't we have cared much more if they were westerners ? Because i never heard of that before, and the examples aren't lacking, it only depends if they're allies or enemies. And how many die because of our selfish/nationalistic neo-colonialism ?
“We” or you?
Our medias and politicians, i'm from Lemmygrad on my main account if my personal opinion ever mattered.
But we(sterners) have double standards.
I admitted my formulation was poorly written here
If i may, here's an other excerpt from C.Johnstone who's saying that even admitting this double standard between civilians and terrorists isn't enough for us to currently support Israel/westerners :
