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[–] intensely_human@lemm.ee 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

See US Constitution, Amendment 2 for another example of backing peace with capability of violence to earn respect.

[–] CarbonatedPastaSauce@lemmy.world 8 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I can assure you the US Government is not quaking in their boots at the thought of Billy Bob's basement arsenal.

[–] JudgeHolden@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Especially since those guys are pretty much all lard-asses. There's a reason why every competent military on the planet emphasizes physical fitness before anything else; it's because real combat --as opposed to playing paintball with your fatbody friends-- is one of the most physically and psychologically punishing activities known to man.

[–] CarbonatedPastaSauce@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Indeed. As 101st infantry alumni, I'm well aware. Having been on both sides, military combat arms and a civilian gun owner, I find the 'defense against the government' idea around the 2nd amendment to be laughable. If they thought you were an actual threat they'd drone strike you out of existence, and you'd be a bullet point on an after action report. They own us now and they know it, that's why everything is going to shit, and it's why we were warned about the rise of the IMC. If only my younger self had been educated about that, I may not have joined up. Hmmm maybe there's a link there?!?! I wonder.

[–] intensely_human@lemm.ee 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

But it’s not about defending against the government. It’s about deterring the government. A pufferfish can’t defend against a shark, but by being spiky it deters the shark from attacking it.

Surely they teach this distinction in military training?

[–] CarbonatedPastaSauce@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

No they pretty much just taught us how to kill shit. In all seriousness, do you honestly believe that's the case? That the US federal government is deterred by an armed public? Because I don't think they give a shit, at all.

[–] intensely_human@lemm.ee 0 points 1 year ago

I mean, with all the armor and shit they wear and the flashbangs and the speedy sweep through a building, it sure seems to me like they're very conscious of the danger of going to get someone.

It takes a lot more work and preparation to go grab a US citizen than it does to go grab a pig. A farmer wants a particular pig he isn't putting on armor and tossing flashbangs and going in with backup.

Yes, I think the federal government is deterred by an armed public. They don't just casually fuck with people, like that military government in Myanmar fucked with its people. It's a big deal for them, a costly affair, to go up against a house that might have guns in it, and they don't take it lightly.

[–] JudgeHolden@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

I think my old man had much the same, or at least somewhat similar thoughts, when he came home from Vietnam. He was a UH1 door-gunner/crew-chief with the 4th ID in the Central Highlands, survived being shot down, was awarded a Distinguished Service Cross, a purple heart, a fistful of air medals and came home with a giant chip on his shoulder.

[–] intensely_human@lemm.ee 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

That’s funny I thought catching a bullet was one of the most physically punishing activities known to man.

[–] JudgeHolden@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

What's funny is you getting defensive about it. Sounds like you might have a fitness issue yourself.

I'm not saying that you necessarily are a "disgusting fatbody," (to quote Gny. Sgt. Hartman,) but if you were, that's exactly how you would react to the fact that every competent military on the planet demands high levels of physical fitness of their combat troops.

It's just a fact, my dude; you don't last long in real combat if you're heaving and gassed within the first 15 minutes.

[–] intensely_human@lemm.ee 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I do have a fitness issue. I was forced to stop working out for a couple of years due to a neurological condition. I've slowly worked up to the point of being able to hike with 15 lbs, without inducing insomnia or adrenaline rushes. It sucks balls.

Are you done attacking me personally now? Can we get on with the conversation?

[–] JudgeHolden@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I'm not attacking you personally. Personally, I wish you nothing but the best.

What I'm attacking is the phony mythology that has thousands of fatbodies imagining that being heavily armed is somehow a valid and necessary counter to the possibility of government overreach.

It's an objectively absurd and laughable proposition.

My dad served with the 4th ID in Vietnam, my grandfather fought from Guadalcanal to Okinawa where his war ended, and then he went on to fight in Korea and survived the clusterfuck that was the Chosin Reservoir.

My point is only that such men still exist in the US armed forces, and there is no universe in which "Fatbody Joe McGee" and his airsoft buddies stand a chance against them, no matter how heavily armed they think they are.

[–] intensely_human@lemm.ee 0 points 1 year ago

You don’t have to win for the guns to make a difference. It’s a red herring. The fact is it helps. Even if it only scares the people on the front lines facing those guns, and the leaders don’t care, it still increases the cost of sending people toward that line.

Like, any government agent that hesitates before going into a room to arrest someone has been slowed down by the guns that could be in that room. The person who wrote the order has to consider the guns. The cop who thinks it might be fun to rape some random housewife for the hell of it has to think of those guns.

I don’t understand the resistance to acknowledging that getting shot is something people work hard to avoid, and that avoidance includes not threatening or violating a person who has the power to shoot you.

It’s very simple. It’s why every animal demos its weapons when cornered: the evolutionary data is in and visibly bearing weapons improves survival. That’s why organisms expend energy growing weapons and then expend more energy waving them around when they’re threatened. It works.

[–] intensely_human@lemm.ee 0 points 1 year ago

Nor am I quaking in my boots when someone is armed in the same room as me. But I’m not gonna fuck with that person.