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Obviously I don't think anyone here cares for it, but most are worried on how it'll affect the fedi
Most of the fear is unfounded and it's a good thing for the overall fedi network
You can see Mastodon's CEO response on it, and I definitely agree with him. It's a good run down on the controversy, also mentioning embrace-extend-extinguish.
https://blog.joinmastodon.org/2023/07/what-to-know-about-threads/
As much as I respect the guy, I think he's being naΓ―ve in that blog post.
This post explains very well why one should be very weary of this.
https://ploum.net/2023-06-23-how-to-kill-decentralised-networks.html
Yeah a whole lot of nothing new from that post. The mention of XMPP is mentioned in Mastodon's post already, and it really is an irrelevant protocol barely having users in 2006. That landscape isn't remotely the same as it is today. When you say let's talk on XMPP, what does that even mean? What app? What website? If I say let's chat over ActivityPub, I could point you to Mastodon or whatever. They're user facing, they're established, they're easy to use for normal people. It's modern day and we can clone a git repo of ActivityPub like it's nothing. People are well aware of extend-embrace-extinguish. The comparison really baffles me.
Frankly I think those admins are dumb for refusing to talk to Meta so they could give them their perspective of the fedi. That was Meta actually attempting to have positive communication and was shot down.
None of the comparisons in that post that are brought up are even remotely comparable to me. They are all entirely different circumstances, like trying to compare a essential tool like document rendering to an independent social network protocol?? You need that document rendering for work, you can't do your job otherwise. Mastodon can tell them to fuck off and remain on an unchanged ActivityPub with zero loss. These comparisons are not the same.
Ok answer this then:
What's stopping Meta from spreading its influence on the platform (so that people follow others on threads), growing up to be the largest instance, and then just defederating from everyone else to "stop spam"? People will then move to threads so they keep following their friends there (because their friends signed up for meta, since it was all compatible anyway).
Have you ever tried to administer your own email server? It's a huge hassle to do, as you'll automatically be blocked by Gmail, outlook, etc and have to jump through a lot of hoops to stop yourself from being blocked.
The same thing will happen to the fediverse.
My response is the same thing I posted over and over. They don't care about that... because the fedi population is completely irrelevant. I don't want to state my same point for a third time. Also, yes I do run my own email server tied to two domains actually. But it's configured correctly and I have never been blocked in my ~4 years or so of running it. Both are .dev domains (which is owned by google lol), and certain TLDs like .top domains will almost always go straight to spam. So things like that factor into reputability.
If they didn't care about the fedi population, why are they making it compatible then?
Because they do good things sometimes. See how they open-sourced LLamA and React. If you don't have an actual logical reasoning as to why this is harmful to the fedi, then it's just fear mongering.
Logical reasoning?
I just laid it out to you, and your only arguments are "the circumstances are different" and "sometimes they do good things".
They just burnt through a shit-ton of money on their metaverse idea, they are not gonna be doing anything but shrewd business decisions for a while.
I've got a bridge to sell you.