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[-] aponigricon@beehaw.org 5 points 1 year ago

"Common narrative" in regards to the war in general or Bakhmut specifically? Because @FaceDeer@lemmy.ml sure as hell is right about the former..

[-] animist@lemmy.one 4 points 1 year ago

No point replying to them. They're a pro-war tankie and want Russia to win.

[-] aponigricon@beehaw.org 1 points 1 year ago

Yeah, unfortunately the .ml in the TLD of the biggest Lemmy instance is not at all coincidental. On the other hand, it seems that a huge proportion of migrant Redditors have a preference for neutral servers with more Libertarian approaches to administration like Beehaw. At least Lemmy itself is FOSS.

[-] sovietsnake@lemmygrad.ml 4 points 1 year ago

They choose it because it is a free domain...

[-] animist@lemmy.one -1 points 1 year ago

Yeah I'm half-anarchist half-demsoc myself and have VERY personal reasons to be against the DPRK so seeing a bunch of privileged white westerners praising the WPK makes me physically ill

[-] GarbageShootAlt2@lemmy.ml 5 points 1 year ago

and have VERY personal reasons to be against the DPRK

Go on

[-] TheOubliette@lemmy.ml -3 points 1 year ago

Thank you for demonstrating why "tankie" is a thought-terminating cliché. Everything I've said is anti-war and sympathetic to the actual victims of this war, the common Ukrainian person and the folks worldwide, and particularly sub-Saharan Africa, suffering due to blanket collective punishment sanctions on Russia. You decided I was on the "bad" side and started making things up.

No war but the class war.

[-] TheOubliette@lemmy.ml -4 points 1 year ago

The war in general of course. It has been a low-information cheerleading session since the beginning, with a rapid normalization of snufg films and the dehumanization of Russians.

A video of someone getting killed by a shark in Egypt has been making the rounds. It's horrible and I do not recommend watching it. But it's incredibly easy to find popular comment chains making jokes or even rejoicing in the death, as the victim was Russian.

Americans did not suddenly acquire basic media literacy skills, let alone embrace media criticism. The same jingoistic fervor used to incite a war of aggression in Iraq is back in a slightly different flavor. This time, the consent that must be manufactured is support for collective punishment against Russia and indefinite military support for Ukraine, hence the dehumanization of "orcs" and the rah-rah gullible acceptance of "we could win!" narratives that depend on positive news about UA actions and negative news about RUS actions.

[-] aponigricon@beehaw.org 8 points 1 year ago

I oppose dehumanization in all its forms, and despite being Ukrainian I have always been mindful of the humanity in this war.

With that said, the overwhelming majority of the "orc" comments that I've seen are directed not towards Russian civilians, but towards Russian combatants. Indeed, on that note Russians have been calling Ukrainians much worse things from day 1 on Russian social media, so if anyone is being dehumanized (and this is coming someone who reads Russian better than Ukrainian) I'd say it's more so Ukrainians by the Russian side, but I digress.

Name calling aside, I think it's incredibly dishonest to term the rooting and supporting for Ukraine as "jingoism" when that word describes what has been happening in Russian society for the past year far more appropriately. The American invasion of Iraq was bad and jingoist rhetoric was used to justify it, yes, but the exact same has been happening in Russia to a far more extreme degree during this war.

How can you ignore that while denouncing mere name-calling on social media and passive support in the war from the side of the West?

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