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One of the things that sets Lemmy, and the collective fediverse apart from other platforms is its community. Recently, there's been a large influx of new users (myself included; thus I apologize if this is not the right location for this post). A toxic trait associated with other platforms is the incorrect use of the downvote. Historically, this function was used to hide comments that detracted from the conversation; however, next to no one uses it as intended, and it's primarily used as a I disagree with you button.

I don't think we'll ever change how the downvote is used now - it's current use is too entrenched. Instead, I suggest that rather than just downvoting and moving on with something you disagree with, that users expand on why they disagree with the post or comment. Not only does this generate more content, but it also can take the conversation into new areas and offer new perspectives that the OP had not considered. You might even actually change a mind or two by doing so, thus bringing people around to see your side of the coin. Commenting (with civility) on stuff you don't agree with is beneficial on all fronts. It promotes discussion, and it offers new perspectives. It also minimizes the likelihood of echo chambers forming. That last bit is what I've come to value here the most. Other sites are just massive echo chambers where there's a rote response or opinion. This creates a stale environment for users, and deters people from commenting. Why comment, when you know what the answer will be, or that you'll be jumped on at the first word of disagreement with the entrenched opinion?

But what if I don't have time to comment to support my downvote? Simple - don't downvote unless the item you're downvoting truly detracts from the conversation (as per the functions original intent).

I realize this is a bit of a rant/ramble, but I think by actively putting more effort into our comments and downvotes, we can make lemmy an even richer community than it already is.

Thanks for taking the time to read,

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[–] Scew@lemmy.world 13 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Lol, I tested this out live. Most people still like to 'disagree button and run.' I think it comes from the 'debate me bro' atmosphere that seemed prevalent on Reddit. A lot of folks would rather just show they disagree than expose their logic on why. This trend can then be manipulated by bots to strengthen the 'unspoken disagreement' with opinions that don't jive with whatever agenda they've been created to support. And rather than talking out disagreements a lot of them devolved into 'then just leave.' Or even more venomously as 'this community will be better when you're gone.' ^.^

[–] Xylinna@lemmy.world 10 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Another contributing factor is that as we have seen in media, especially in politics, if you try to present evidence to contraindicate or provide a different perspective folks will just put their fingers in their ears and talk louder. It can be very exhausting and sometimes it is not worth the effort.

[–] Scew@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

It can be very exhausting and sometimes it is not worth the effort

Don't forget to include the list of Counterarguments^TM^ that spews out after their fingers are safely in their ears.

[–] Xylinna@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

The mental image this create just made me snort. Would make a fantastic political cartoon.

[–] Track_Shovel@slrpnk.net 7 points 1 year ago (1 children)

think it comes from the ‘debate me bro’ atmosphere that seemed prevalent on Reddit

Fuck, seriously, tell me about it. I hated that part of reddit so much. Pedantic narcissists.

I agree with everything you said in your comment.

[–] Nougat@kbin.social 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I once had some knob trying to argue to me that "god is real" because "the Incas believed the sun was a god, and the sun is real."

[–] everythingsucks@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

This comment to me is a perfect example of something that doesn’t add anything to the conversation. But should I downvote it or ignore so it can possibly branches off into another conversation about “lol Christians” or something else?

[–] starlinguk@kbin.social 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Bigots don't get the fun of a debate. It's "downvote and run" for prats like that.

[–] Scew@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago

Who needs understanding when we can just spin everyone into cartoons?