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submitted 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) by fasterandworse@awful.systems to c/techtakes@awful.systems

I don’t really have much to say… it kind of speaks for itself. I do appreciate the table of contents so you don’t get lost in the short paragraphs though

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[-] Soyweiser@awful.systems 10 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

Yeah, the whole manifesto is so weird. Missing parts (like a poverty/affordable housing solution (see elsewhere in the thread here where people talk about his history with affordable housing and his 8m~ dollar home), parts which are just wrong (I would say he should go back to school, but as he already has a manifesto I do not want to risk another school shooting), the whole "Techno-Optimists believe that societies, like sharks, grow or die.", isn't the myth/saying (doesn't apply to all sharks) that sharks need to keep moving or die. (Also just the whole 'did you just compare yourself to sharks?' (them being superkillers is also a myth but still)). The whole manifesto still (partially) works if you just replace 'growth' with 'keep moving', which then comes closer to some of the actual complaints people have about 'techbros', and not his weird strawmen.

[-] fasterandworse@awful.systems 6 points 11 months ago

I thought he was confusing sharks with crocodiles where there is the myth that they would live forever and keep growing if their environment allowed for it

[-] Soyweiser@awful.systems 6 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

Ah yes, that could be it. (comparing yourself to crocodiles (who are iirc genetically pretty stable, and not very likely to change over time, vs technology always being in flux is also a bit odd)). But I prob have now thought 10x more about it than he did.

[-] fasterandworse@awful.systems 5 points 11 months ago

It’s such a disappointing feeling when you realise that, isn’t it? They have the rationalist mindset of not putting energy into something if there isn’t immediate evidence of ROI but they sell things based on promises that hard work / trust in their words will pay off at some point down the road.

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