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[–] sapient_cogbag@infosec.pub 6 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Do you think people (in particular, yourself) should be forced by state violence to donate their organs to someone who needs it to survive? Especially when the forced donation process involves significant risk to your own life and health (though i do not think that aspect particularly important for my own reasoning, personally ^.^).

Because advocating for """reasonable""" restrictions on abortion is advocating for forcing someone to act as, essentially, a breeding pod, forced to donate their body and organs.

[–] HawlSera@lemm.ee -5 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I think Organ Donation should be an Opt Out rather than an Opt In.

Also Organ Donation isn't done till after the person is dead, so your argument makes no sense.

Anyway, that aside, if you are in a position to save another person or prevent their death, and either don't or even just expedite what was already going to happen... You're a killer in my eyes.

[–] SuddenlyBlowGreen@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

How many kidneys have you donated?

[–] HawlSera@lemm.ee 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] SuddenlyBlowGreen@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

So you haven't donated any, you're trying to evade the question.

Anyway, that aside, if you are in a position to save another person or prevent their death, and either don't or even just expedite what was already going to happen... You're a killer in my eyes

That means, by your own logic, you're a killer.

[–] HawlSera@lemm.ee 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] SuddenlyBlowGreen@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Whatever, I really don't care about thr opinions of some hypocrite killer.

[–] HawlSera@lemm.ee 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

I'm not a hypocrite, I am merely not suicidal. If I were to donate my organs while I was still alive, I would be putting myself into unnecessary risk. Meaning I cannot blindly give them away, if I were to give them away at all, I would have to do so specifically because someone needed them and came to me for help with the understanding that if I refused they would die.

If you were paying attention, you would know that I do not advocate for a total ban on abortion, if bringing the human child to term is a non-negligible threat to the owner of the womb than an abortion isn't just fine, it should be encouraged by a medical profession.

However if that is not the case, then an abortion would child murder.

Kinda like how if someone dying of kidney failure asked for my kidneys and I said no, I'm basically telling them to drop dead.

My logic isn't inconsistent, you merely belong to a vocal minority of people who value self freedom over the lives of others. A vocal minority that was quite loud on reddit but seems to have migrated to Lemmy.

The kind of nut who would compare licenses to drive to licenses to use a toaster

[–] SuddenlyBlowGreen@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Kinda like how if someone dying of kidney failure asked for my kidneys and I said no, I'm basically telling them to drop dead.

Currently, 17 people die each day on the organ transplant list. I'm representing one of them, and coming directly and specifically to you. Will you donate a kidney?

[–] HawlSera@lemm.ee 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

I am not a lawyer, however I have no reason to believe that this is a sincere request. Instead I believe this is an attempt to propose a Preposterous question without evidence, in order to use my answer against me. And for that reason I refuse to answer it.

[–] SuddenlyBlowGreen@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Yes, saying that anyone who doesn't donate an organ to someone else is a killer is prepostorous, I agree.

[–] HawlSera@lemm.ee 0 points 1 year ago

Claiming to be rational and twisting someone else's words around, do not go hand in hand.

[–] sapient_cogbag@infosec.pub 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

So you think a corpse should have more morphological autonomy than a living person?

People can also organ donate while alive lol ;p