this post was submitted on 13 Oct 2023
272 points (90.7% liked)

MeanwhileOnGrad

1346 readers
7 users here now

"Oh, this is calamity! Calamity! Oh no, he's on the floor!"

Welcome to MoG!


Meanwhile On Grad


Documenting hate speech, conspiracy theories, apologia/revisionism, and general tankie behaviour across the fediverse. Memes are welcome!


What is a Tankie?


Alternatively, a detailed blog post about Tankies.

(caution of biased source)


Basic Rules:

Sh.itjust.works Instance rules apply! If you are from other instances, please be mindful of the rules. — Basically, don't be a dick.

Hate-Speech — You should be familiar with this one already; practically all instances have the same rules on hate speech.

Apologia(Using the Modern terminology for Apologia) No Defending, Denying, Justifying, Bolstering, or Differentiating authoritarian acts or endeavours, whether be a Pro-CCP viewpoint, Stalinism, Islamic Terrorism or any variation of Tankie Ideology.

Revisionism — No downplaying or denying atrocities past and present. Calling Tankies shills, foreign/federal agents, or bots also falls under this rule. Extremists exist. They are real. Do not call them shills or fake users as it handwaves their extremism.

Tankies can explain their views but may be criticised or attacked for them. Any slight infraction on the rules above will immediately earn a warning and possibly a ban.

Off-topic Discussion — Do not discuss unrelated topics to the point of derailing the thread. Stay focused on the direct content of the post as opposed to arguing.

You'll be warned if you're violating the instance and community rules. Continuing poor behaviour after being warned will result in a ban or removal of your comments. Bans typically only last 24 hours, but each subsequent infraction will double the amount. Depending on the content, the ban time may be increased. You may request an unban at any time.


founded 1 year ago
MODERATORS
you are viewing a single comment's thread
view the rest of the comments
[–] Peaty@sh.itjust.works 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Your post makes it seem like you think sociology and economics aren't sciences. Economics in Marx's time was certainly closer to philosophy but that hasn't been the case since the 1960s.

The problem the Marxists who are not formally educated in philosophy or science face is that they don't realize economics in the modern age isn't concerned with the kinds of thinking Marx engaged in because it isn't based on empiricism.

[–] Eldritch@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

They aren't. Not in the same sense of physics and chemistry for sure. That doesn't mean that they are without value. It just means that they have no authority to predict anything. Empiricism and determinism are sort of the core of science. If you mix a set proportion of materials at a specific temperature you will always get the same products. An authoritarian a leninist and a Communist walk into a bar. And you'll get as many different punchlines as there are people who attempt to answer it.

Nothing changed in 1960. Economics is still largely philosophy. With the hindsight those sort of things give we can often try to understand why things might have happened. Maybe even offer insight into something like it perhaps happening again. But certainly not predict it happening. One of the best indicators that economics is largely philosophy. Is the fact that for these last 50 years conservative in the United States to have babbled on incoherently about bullshit supply side economics.

[–] Peaty@sh.itjust.works -2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Oh, so you're one of those. You don't know anything about modern economics or philosophy if you think the two are even remotely similar.

Seriously a question in modern economics would be "did the tax policy instituted by placeistan in 2008 positively or negatively impact school enrollment?" While a question in philosophy would be "is the tax policy instituted by Placeistan an ethical or nonethical policy?" Those aren't the same and the only reason why you would think the subjects are similar is if you know nothing about either one.

Im willing to be you know little about what constitutes a science based on the ignorance you have displayed so far.

Prestidigitation is not part of science and it is weird that you think the inability to predict everything is somehow unique to social sciences.

[–] Eldritch@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Oh, so you're one of those. Getting all pissy, unable to address what was said. Instead making accusations and strawmen.

Your example is just silly. That's just asking someone to make an observation and personal interpretation. How would you justify that interpretation. How would you test that hypothesis? Is it repeatable? Wheres your control group. Economics fails/doesn't adhere to basic scientific method. And isn't SCIENCE. No disrespect econ major. It isn't. It's a social science. That's a significant difference. Saying economics is a Science. Full stop. Is like saying your hatchback is a formula 1. Though if you can prove otherwise I'm willing to listen despite your rudeness

[–] goat@sh.itjust.works 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

take it easy gamers, be all nice