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Evacuation to where?
Considering the end goal is obviously genocide, the ocean?
That’s not the end goal. The end goal is security for the Israeli people. If Palestinians choose peace, they’d have it. They have not chosen that path yet.
This is nearly a certain white supremacist dogwhistle. Don't trust people who want to murder an entire people for the sake of "security" of other people. That's how ethnic cleanses and genocides are justified.
You connected two unrelated ideas.
Israel wants security for the people of Israel. Ideally, this is peace with their neighbors. Hamas has chosen war. Israel has no choice but the take action.
And this action must be extermination of the people of Palestine. If you're going to say it, say all of it. Stop dancing around what you're advocating.
Don’t put words in my mouth. I’m absolutely not saying that. Let me be clear: Palestinians should have a state and live peacefully as neighbors of Israel.
However, as of now, the Palestinian leadership is fracture and (in the case of Hamas) undeniably barbaric. The Palestinians need to choose better leaders and take themselves to freedom and peace they deserve.
When do they choose their leaders? They've not had an election in over a decade.
Agreed! Neither in the West Bank where Fatah rules, not in Gaza where Hamas rules, have they had elections in more than a decade.
The Palestinians should demand an election.
may i ask why is it your presumption they haven't been doing this?
Yeah Hamas def made those Israeli settlers steal Palestinian homes /s
this is effectively saying "all Palestinians deserve to be killed because of who their leadership is" which is not really acceptable.
Please look up how many of the currently living people in Gaza were able to vote back in 2006(?) when the last election was.
Irrc 50% of the population now is under 18, so people under 35 should make up 70% or more.
Your statement is just false.
From the authors of "Why don't Russians/Iranians/North Koreans/etc. overthrow their regimes? It's a simple choice."
Is that before or after the constant genocide?
Genocide has a definition and it clearly doesn’t apply here. Please stop spreading misinformation.
Ok. They are trying to eliminate all people of a certain belief system in a certain area after stealing their land and killing innocents and children... Oh shit that sounds a lot like genocide to me.
Israel is not trying to eliminate people of a belief system. Their objective is to eliminate Hamas, whose charter is to destroy Israel, and in Saturday’s attack demonstrated they’ll do it without remorse in the most cruel ways.
Then why are they using white phosphorus on civilians?
God, just remembering the scene in spec ops makes me want to cry. It's wholly inhuman to use white phosphorus
https://twitter.com/m7mdkurd/status/1712867453644972536?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Etweet
Thing is, even if the people want peace there's no one to deliver it. Their leadership has no interest in negotiating with the state of Israel that they see as illegitimate.
And Israel is the same way so that is a double edged sword.
That’s simply not correct and easily verifiable. Don’t spread misinformation.
So for decades Israel has been pushing people out of their homes and killing their children, they have killed journalists.
Now, they told everyone to get out of gaza then bombed the crossing, they shut off power, water, sanitation, food, medicines, and shutdown god only knows how many machines that were keeping people alive because they do not run without electricity...
What part of what I said is untrue?
That’s something that needs to be worked out, but Israeli leaders have been ready for that for years. For sure they Israelis would accept that.
Per the linked article "toward the southern part of the besieged territory", which seems awfully vague for a major displacement of people.
The Palestinians and the UN were given clear instructions as to where they should go that they would be safe.
Which is?
Remember the partition of India? Remember the Nakba?
Telling 1 million people that they no longer have a home never ends well.