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We're in the 21st century, and the vast majority of us still believe in an utterly and obviously fictional creator deity. Plenty of people, even in developed countries with decent educational systems, still believe in ghosts or magic (e.g. voodoo). And I--an atheist and a skeptic--am told I need to respect these patently false beliefs as cultural traditions.

Fuck that. They're bad cultural traditions, undeserving of respect. Child-proofing society for these intellectually stunted people doesn't help them; it is in fact a disservice to them to pretend it's okay to go through life believing these things. We should demand that people contend with reality on a factual basis by the time they reach adulthood (even earlier, if I'm being completely honest). We shouldn't be coddling people who profess beliefs that are demonstrably false, simply because their feelings might get hurt.

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[–] ubermeisters@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago (3 children)

"People like them" are a greater majority than you assume, issue is we aren't vocal about it, so nobody is head counting.

Walk through life as if others are equal to you regardless of belief, and you'll be fine either way. Never hurts you to respect someone else's sanctity.

[–] awwwyissss@lemm.ee 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Should we apply that logic to Nazi beliefs? I'm not taking sides here, but it's not so black and white.

[–] ubermeisters@lemmy.world -4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

If you read my comments elsewhere in the ~~thread~~ post you'll get the answer to your poorly baited question.

Next disingenuous question please

[–] twisted28@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Religious people(morons) aren’t vocal about it. Yeah sure. edit: religious people regularly try to shove their religion down everyone’s throat and create laws accordingly. Atheists wouldn’t have a problem with them otherwise. The basis of religions are to recruit new members, we know this

[–] Darthjaffacake@lemmy.world -2 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] twisted28@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Yet Abortion has been restricted in many states using religion as justification

[–] AnalogyAddict@lemmy.world -3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Just because religion has been used to justify bad things doesn't mean all religion is bad, or even that all bad things are excused by religion. The reasons people do bad things are legion.

Also, just because they use that excuse doesn't mean it's the actual reason.

[–] Bytemeister@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Name one good thing that people could not have done without religion?

[–] AnalogyAddict@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago

That's a somewhat backwards question. What good has religion motivated people to do that they would not have otherwise done?

[–] Dkarma@lemmy.world -2 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Not relevant.

Taoists have never been accused of cramming their beliefs down other people's throats. They are obviously not included in the discussion of religions that do do that.

Sure it's a generalization. That's the point of memes.

[–] Darthjaffacake@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

This is just silly. Your group of people has never done anything bad so it's all okay is never a good argument since people are all pretty much the same (I mean it's wrong to treat people differently depending on the actions of people within the same wider group)

[–] ubermeisters@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

(I promise I'm not just being argumentative.)

Taoism does have a history of punishing free thinkers, and a lot of the structure around teaching is designed to interrupt logical thought intentionally with irrational thought.

So while they may not be responsible for the Crusades, or anything like that, I think it's a safe bet that even more pure fundamentalist religions such as Taoism, can and do still come with the inherent dark side of humanity, if not inherently, then implicitly by the fact that humans are involved.

Just as an aside... I don't necessarily have a point or a Counterpoint here, I just thought it was worth mentioning since I don't think a lot of people know a whole lot about Eastern religions.

Yes I know this is a lot of words for me to just remind people that were not nice as a race inherently.

[–] ubermeisters@lemmy.world -4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

I don't see anything obvious about this mess of spaghetti logic you are calling your personal understanding and reasoning, actually. Take a step outside yourself occasionally perhaps.

All I'm seeing is someone who is less informed than they want to think, and is mad at everyone for pointing that out.

[–] twisted28@lemmy.world -2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The same could be said about yourself.