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[–] NotSoCoolWhip@lemmy.world 8 points 1 year ago (66 children)
[–] VikingHippie@lemmy.wtf 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (45 children)

No they aren't. They're only a problem when not raised right. They DO need a firmer hand in training like literally every strong breed, which not all owners realise and take into account, but neglecting that isn't their fault, it's on the bad owners.

[–] Saik0Shinigami@lemmy.saik0.com -3 points 1 year ago (25 children)

https://www.tmz.com/2021/09/10/cesar-milan-queen-latifah-pit-bull-dog-junior-coverup-lawsuit/

So then when one of the premier dog trainers in the USA runs into significant issues with their pit bull... is it the dog or the owner?

[–] strobel@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

You're citing a tabloid, not exactly a reliable source...

[–] Saik0Shinigami@lemmy.saik0.com -1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children)
[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

How does that say anything about pit bulls in general? Someone else brought up the fact that labs and German shepherds bite just as much as pit bulls. Where's the scaremongering about labs? Oh wait, they're the choice breed for service dogs? Maybe it's not the breed then.

[–] Saik0Shinigami@lemmy.saik0.com 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I'm directly refuting the point that Pit Bulls are not bad, just their owners are. I don't give a shit about German Shepherds because there's isn't a disproportionate amount of them causing harm to humans.

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Numbers say otherwise. Rottweilers and German Shepherds are after Pit Bulls.

[–] Saik0Shinigami@lemmy.saik0.com 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Yes... they're number 2 and 3... Except between position 1 and 2 is literally a 20x difference. If #1 is held by pitbulls by such an astounding lead that they 20x ahead of #2... You don't look at #2 and #3 as contenders.

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Got it. They don't count because Pitbulls are worse. Logic.

[–] Saik0Shinigami@lemmy.saik0.com 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Yes... pits accounts for 66% and Rottweilers are ~10%... And Shepherd's are ~5%. When First places is 4.4 times further ahead than second and third place combined... It's pretty safe to make the claim they're worse. And it ends up being a very logical claim to hold. So thanks for agreeing.

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] Saik0Shinigami@lemmy.saik0.com 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

LMFAO. You're the kind of person who blames individuals for global warming when it's companies that are fucking up the environment aren't you?

You seem to miss the point that when one population is distinctly attributable to the VAST MAJORITY of the problem... It's that Population that should be held accountable. Dog deaths could become a statistically irrelevant number with n<100 (each death would still be sad, but it would be exceedingly rare). Pitbulls are in the way of that.

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I see. 10% is a statistically irrelevant number.

[–] NotSoCoolWhip@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

You're failing to acknowledge why someone who would be more concerned about a bigger number. 60 is bigger than 10 sir, and we should focus on 60, as it would have a greater effect for our effort

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

I didn't realize we could only focus on one thing at a time.

[–] strobel@sh.itjust.works 1 points 1 year ago

I didn't believe it at first, but it seems my doubt was misplaced.

You would think that a supposed professional dog trainer, who allegedly was aware that his dog was aggressive and had a history of biting other dogs, wouldn't just let such a dog wander around unattended. I guess he was too proud to admit he couldn't correct this dog's behavior.

[–] ChronosWing@lemmy.zip -3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Since it was settled out of court there is zero truth to any of it. Not saying it didn't happen, but there is no proof that it happened either.

There's plenty of proof. Documents were submitted to court. Just because there was a settlement doesn't mean it didn't happen

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