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Rep. Shri Thanedar (D-Mich.) is revoking his membership in the Democratic Socialists of America (DSA) over its promotion of what he said was an antisemitic rally in New York City.

“Today, I am officially renouncing my membership in the Democratic Socialists of America. After the brutal terrorist attacks on Israel, which included the indiscriminate murder, rape, and kidnapping of innocent men, women, and children, I can no longer associate with an organization unwilling to call out terrorism in all its forms,” he wrote in a statement Wednesday.

Thanedar, formerly one of the six members of the DSA in Congress, said that a rally in Times Square on Sunday pushed him to make the decision.

The rally, held just one day after Hamas launched its deadly attack on Israel, was also denounced by other lawmakers and officials.

“Sunday’s hate-filled and antisemitic rally in New York City, promoted by the NYC-DSA, makes it impossible for me to continue my affiliation. I stand with Israel and its right to defend itself. There is no place for moral equivocation in the face of unadulterated evil as we have seen from Hamas,” Thanedar added.

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[–] BraveSirZaphod@kbin.social -3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The idea that "An oppressed people have the right to resist by any means they deem necessary" has been quite popular amongst certain leftist schools of thought and has been shared by more than a few people I personally known.

I take it you've probably seen slogans to the effect of "Decolonization isn't pretty". The implication is pretty obvious.

[–] IchNichtenLichten@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I asked who is saying that. A few people you know is hardly a reliable source.

[–] Cryophilia@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] BraveSirZaphod@kbin.social 1 points 1 year ago

They need hostages and bodies to deter aerial bombing and to strengthen their negotiating position. What else are they going to do? It sucks that civilians get harmed, but that blood is on Israel’s hands because ultimately they are the aggressor and occupier.

I mean, you can't get any more mask off than this. It's explicitly saying "anything done to harm Israelis is justifiable because they are an occupier".

[–] BraveSirZaphod@kbin.social -2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Before I go looking for sources, let me honestly ask, if I do find widely shared social media pages or statements from progressive groups espousing this idea, will that actually affect your views in any way? How will you views change if I do find evidence of this?

[–] IchNichtenLichten@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

It doesn't really matter at this stage. We've already established that you've been less than truthful.

[–] BraveSirZaphod@kbin.social 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Well, if you're openly stating that no amount of evidence will change your mind, I'm glad I can save my time.

Just don't go telling people you care at all about truth though, if that's your mindset.

[–] IchNichtenLichten@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

No, I’m saying that you’ve posted fiction and now you want to scrabble around for anything you can find to try and validate yourself. I’m saying I don’t care what you do because you’ve given me no reason to. Clear?

[–] BraveSirZaphod@kbin.social 0 points 1 year ago

"I will not accept any evidence presented by you because I've a priori decided that everything you say is a lie. Also, somehow I'm pretending to be rational."

What was the fiction I posted, anyway? I made a claim that non-trivial groups have supported the idea that essentially any kind of "resistance" is justified, you denied that without evidence, and then stated that you will not accept any evidence I present.