and before you get to "but there are nazis all over europe/etc, the jews need to be safeguarded!" i'm 100% with you. killing every nazi the world over is the correct solution here, not wiping out an innocent peoples.

[–] Kepabar@startrek.website 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children)

considering a lot of them have second citizenships elsewhere...how about those places?

That only accounts for maybe 20-30% of the population these days. Most Israelis alive today were born in the country, not immigrants.

So again, where do they go?

[–] h3doublehockeysticks@hexbear.net 57 points 1 year ago (2 children)

How about they move.out of the areas that Israel agrees are Palestine and into the areas they're less blatantly stealing for a start. Your interjection is nonsensical when Israelis are, right now, seizing more and more from the Palestinians. Why is this "Where do they go? 😞 " question relevant only now and only one way? No one asked that question when the Palestinians were displaced, and now they're just supposed to deal with that because it would suck for the colonizers to have to move back to where they came from? There are multigenerational refugees from Palestine, people whose parents and grandparents were also stateless refugees, and we're supposed to feel bad for settlers? Fuck off.

[–] Kepabar@startrek.website 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Why is this "Where do they go? 😞 " question relevant only now and only one way?

Because someone specifically told me that every Israeli should just leave Israel?

Are you not following the converstation here?

[–] h3doublehockeysticks@hexbear.net 35 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I answered your question. You did not answer mine.

[–] Kepabar@startrek.website 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

What question do you want answered? Most of what you stated seemed to be rhetorical.

[–] h3doublehockeysticks@hexbear.net 33 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Why is this only a relevant question now when it wasn't before and only with regards to hypothetical Israelis and not actual Palestinians being actually displaced right now? Why should we care more about the rights of Israelis to not have to move than the rights of Palestinians who have been rendered stateless refugees for generations or put into concentration camps?

I.e. why do you assign worth to Israeli rights but not to Palestinian rights? Why does Israel get to steal Palestinian homes and declare "no backsies"?

[–] nonailsleft@lemm.ee 3 points 1 year ago

I wonder, seen your username, are you by any chance living in North America? If you do, would you consider emigrating to give the land back to the Native Americans who the colonists stole it from (with a little jazzy genocide) ? Or do you consider the situation to be completely different?

[–] hotcouchguy@hexbear.net 37 points 1 year ago

Look at South Africa. One state for everyone, equal rights, equal votes. That thought will be so repellent to many that they would rather leave, and good riddance to them.

Not that I as some western internet rando have some unique insight into how things can/should be resolved, just the opposite: some of this is so obvious that even a distant and privileged dummy like me can see it

[–] space_comrade@hexbear.net 32 points 1 year ago

So again, where do they go?

I don't give a shit tbh. The state of Israel is a rogue state that shouldn't be recognized by anybody and should never have existed. The settlers can either become refugees or rely on the mercy of Palestinians.