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 the what culture? what the hell is anyone talking about here and why is no one else confused
Spoon = unit of measurement used to describe amount of energy someone is capable of giving to a task
Spoonie = (I assumed) someone who uses spoons as terminology to describe how much energy they have
“Spoonie” specifically appears to have been started as a group of young women on websites such as TikTok describing their symptoms with what sounds a lot like chronic fatigue. The commenter is seemingly complaining about this group and views them as self-victimizing. I cannot guarantee that this is what the commenter actually meant, but it makes sense given what we know.
People who talk and complain about TikTok “disability fakers” emit extremely horrid vibes to me so I do not want to say anything more. I do not have anything positive to say.
You are mistaken about the origin of the term. Vigilantes are gross, but malingerers also do real, tangible harm to people who have to contend with the medical system and the term “spoonie” is certainly overused by a certain kind of bad faith actor in the CI community.
Do you really think the statistically minimal group of people pretending to have illnesses are what is preventing people from getting medical care? The medical industry would refuse service anyways. Insurance has a direct incentive to think that people are malingerers by default. The general attitudes from doctors when it comes to chronic conditions is disbelief and gaslighting. If it wasn’t malingerers, it would be something else. The ableism in the industry is the issue, not random people it uses as scapegoats.
Hell, think of the term “malingerers”. People who pretend illness to get out of work. Is this not just a repeat of the usual,  complaint about lazy workers? Children, maybe not. Faking sickness to avoid school is a common trope for a reason. But do you really think adults who are being accused of faking illness are “malingerers”? If they need to fake illness to get out of work, and in the process lose a chance to get money, then they probably aren’t able to work in the first place. Healthy, neurotypical, able-bodied people don’t just pass up working opportunities for no reason. Even if it’s for attention, same issue. Healthy, able-bodied, neurotypical people don’t just spend thousands of dollars on surgeries and equipment and accommodations just to get attention. Healthy, able-bodied, neuro-typical people don’t need attention that much. There is clearly something going on there and whatever it is probably isn’t going to be prevented by some random strangers calling them fakers on the internet.
I know you have your own experiences that I could never even imagine when it comes to chronic illness, and I am mostly talking from a place of privilege. But I have been in the autistic community, which has similar issues with accusations of fakery, and it seems directly transferable to me. There is a reason that the autistic community has nearly universally agreed that self-diagnosis is valid. There is a reason that there are multiple complaints about “fake disorder cringe” subreddits on the Autism sub. There is a reason that “fake disorder cringe” was posted to r/againsthatesubreddits (and, by the way, was only prevented from getting a bad reputation because the actual Reddit site admins themselves came down from the heavens to protect ableism).
Accusing others of faking disorders is, at best, punching sideways. In situations where it is punching up, it’s pretty obvious that it’s punching up. Usually because it’s a rich person doing it.
I want to clarify that this is not about your emotions. Being frustrated at people for faking disorders is reasonable. You are experiencing hurt and, in a way, they have contributed to it. But consider the situation of a worker in a unionized workplace- It’s very similar. Yeah, it is frustrating that you aren’t getting your pay, and I sympathize with that, but the best way to get it is to join the union, not scab.
iirc the "spoons" thing started with (or was popularized by?) a youtube video about mental health, which used an analogy where you start the day with a set number of spoons, and the spoons represent how much mental energy you have to accomplish tasks. During the day, you spend your spoons in various situations, potentially running out of spoons if you overexert yourself. Conditions like depression are said to reduce the number of spoons you start the day with. The analogy helps some people to not beat themselves up for struggling to get through the day.
I just read up on it and its fine if it helps people, but why spoons? It seems to be that anyone so dense they can't grasp that day to day activities tax your limited reserves probably wouldn't grasp your weird spoon analogy. Why not use fuel or batteries or money or something else that people would understand as a limited resource necessary for operation?
because the person who thought of it was eating lunch with a friend. They just used what they had on hand to make the point. I think its part of the reason why people use the term. Its cute. It could be more descriptive. But, when talking about sensitive subjects people like a bit of levity. The spoons add that.
I read the story and I can see how it can help people conceptualize their struggles. I guess i just question the utility. If someone doesn't understand that the pain you feel or lack of energy or whatever often leaves you unable to do everything you want to do, they don't lack comprehension they lack empathy. The spoons thing seems more like its performative theatre for people who already get it. Which is fine, of course, it just sets my teeth on edge a bit for reasons I can't really explain. Thank you for clarifying though
Yeah of course. I think it gives you gsa queer or flag wearing queer at pride energy. Like people are going to think its too much. Or too unserious to respect.
Of course, I dont think that but its understandable that it would bring that up.
Cause putting it in videogame terms isn't gonna work on normal people. If some one put a hand to their head and said OOM. Us internet poisoned people would get it but we aren't the target audience
I have no idea
I think its like "Spoon fulls" maybe?
This sounds likes something from the 1850s. I feel like using a battery analogy would be more intuitive in the modern day. To me anyway, feeling uncharged throughout the day makes more sense than "running out of spoons"