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[โ€“] elouboub@kbin.social 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

If a country with a population of around a million (or even as small as 100k) enacted UBI I would take those results to be representative of a societal change.

I honestly doubt you would. The typical arguments of:

  • it's not comparable to a country of 350M, they're barely as big as $cityWithOver1Million
  • their society is very different from ours
  • their implementation is different from what we could ever manage
  • the circumstances were different

would come around.

You're making exemplary conservative arguments to stalemate progress by creating a chicken and egg problem.

  • Won't accept results of change in a small environment because they aren't representative of change in large environment
  • Demand results of change in a large environment before applying them to large environment
  • Won't apply changes to large environment because results of change in large environment don't exist
[โ€“] Liz@midwest.social 1 points 1 year ago

You just made up a bunch of arguments I would never make. Please don't put words in my mouth. I can't help it if my current stance is an argument made by people who have no interest in UBI at all. Fuck, I want UBI to work as advertised, it would be a very simple and easy solution to a lot of problems (though it obviously wouldn't be a 100% solve for all of them).

If we can get a small economic zone that's in control of its own currency to run UBI, those results would be likely to transfer to any other larger economy. Really the only requirement is that the country must be in control of its own monetary and fiscal policy and the program must actually be universal.