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The liberal brainwashing is complete, they're as rabid as neo-cons.
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You either drank the NATO kool aid, or you're not engaging in good faith. The situation is what it is, Westerners are kicking back in their armchairs and sending thousands of Ukrainians to die over farmhouses in Bakhmut; it doesn't matter if there could be some noble justification that maybe, just maybe, the next human wave Ukraine sends will get Russia to back off. If you don't want to "allow" Russian aggression, how about you don't engage in a decade of expansionist brinkmanship?
The expansion of NATO by means of economic diplomacy is not at the same level of human misery as what Russia is doing militarily. Yes, yes, capitalism is exploitative, I'm not denying that, I just don't think that Russia should get a free pass to invade.
How do you reconcile Putin's previously expressed desire to possibly join NATO? https://www.rferl.org/a/russia-putin-says-discussed-joining-nato-with-clinton/28526757.html
I don't disagree, Russia has no right to continue (or to have started) the war either. But what I think about Russia doesn't matter, what matters is we are workers in countries that are bankrolling Ukraine in the war and we can have meaningful political impact on the war by dismissing false consciousness. I can't do anything to get Putin to stop the war. But if enough workers in NATO aligned countries make it clear they won't stand for the ransacking of Ukraine, the war machine won't be able to keep moving without its gears.
Anyway, I think Putin was pretty naive to want to join NATO lol. It's a big club, and Russia ain't in it (by design).