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[–] Chetzemoka@startrek.website 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Yes, and it kills people.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8140409/#:~:text=The%20World%20Health%20Organization%20estimates,PM2.5)%20in%20polluted%20air.

You're not that stupid. You know the difference between inhaling concentrated particulates from a cigarette or vape and smelling a fucking flower. (Which, by the way, pollen grains are average 10-20 microns, not 2.5.)

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7937385/#:~:text=Many%20studies%20have%20reported%20that,2020%3B%20Schober%20et%20al.%2C

[–] abraxas@sh.itjust.works -1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

You’re not that stupid. You know the difference between inhaling concentrated particulates from a cigarette or vape and smelling a fucking flower

And you're not that stupid. You know that fine particulate matter in the air every breath we take is different from someone vaping sometimes. There's a reason your linked study doesn't mention vaping AND why scientists are still saying the risks of vaping are unclear.

Your second study is more useful, but it really is not intellectually defensible to take it results as saying vaping is unhealthy. Instead, its results are saying that we need to keep regulations to control air quality with regards to vaping.

I'll reiterate my original critique.

“Don’t inhale particulate matter of any kind” is an excellent rule of thumb for all humans in all situations

...is something I disagree with, like most extreme naive generalities.

[–] Chetzemoka@startrek.website 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I wasn't trying to link evidence that vaping is unhealthy. But we know that inhaling PM2.5 is unhealthy and those size particles are present in vape. You are free to take whatever risks you would like with your body.

[–] abraxas@sh.itjust.works -1 points 1 year ago

But we know that inhaling PM2.5 is unhealthy and those size particles are present in vape

This is no more true than saying "we know sunlight is unhealthy". What we know is that PM2.5 is unhealthy in large quantities for long periods of time. We know the same thing about sunlight for a lot of the same reasons. Occasional 15-minute stretches in the sun is more healthy than consistent long-term exposure.

You are free to take whatever risks you would like with your body.

As are you. I'm just talking about what is or is not science vs propaganda, here. From a different branch, I would wager that vaped medications could reach a point of being healthier for us than injected medications.