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Joe Biden worries that the “extreme” US supreme court, dominated by rightwing justices, cannot be relied upon to uphold the rule of law.

“I worry,” the president told ProPublica in interview published on Sunday. “Because I know that if the other team, the Maga Republicans, win, they don’t want to uphold the rule of law.”

“Maga” is shorthand for “Make America great again”, Donald Trump’s campaign slogan. Trump faces 91 criminal charges and assorted civil threats but nonetheless dominates Republican polling for the nomination to face Biden in a presidential rematch next year.

In four years in the White House, Trump nominated and saw installed three conservative justices, tilting the court 6-3 to the right. That court has delivered significant victories for conservatives, including the removal of the right to abortion and major rulings on gun control, affirmative action and other issues.

The new court term, which starts on Tuesday, could see further such rulings on matters including government environmental and financial regulation.

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[–] WaxedWookie@lemmy.world 38 points 1 year ago (3 children)

I'd argue this should have been the immediate response to Mitch McConnell blocking nominees half a term away from an election, but if the court can't uphold the rule of law, it should be fixed (and expansion seems like the obvious solution) or replaced.

The procedural question on this one is whether he could shrink the court to boot say... Thomas, then expand it again to replace him with someone less obviously corrupt. Republicans fail to confirm a replacement? We'll shrink the court a little more. Obviously, this won't happen, but I'm interested to know if it's possible.

[–] Zaktor@sopuli.xyz 13 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Shrinking it (through established legal channels) is impeachment and removal which has a high bar. Enlarging it is just passing a law, which is only hard because the senate has a policy (not a law) to effectively not pass laws without supermajorities. The latter could be done with a simple majority of politicians with a spine.

[–] CosmicCleric@lemmy.world 10 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I’d argue this should have been the immediate response to Mitch McConnell blocking nominees half a term away from an election

Honestly I feel like that needed a civil war level response, that really should not have been allowed/normalized, regardless of which party initiated the block.


whether he could shrink the court to boot say… Thomas, then expand it again to replace him

I couldn't agree to that, that's way too manipulative and dishonors the previous selections from previous presidents.


I would expect him to just expand the court by two seats, if he was going to try to do something along these lines.

[–] ALostInquirer@lemm.ee 5 points 1 year ago (3 children)

dishonors the previous selections from previous presidents.

To what degree should prior selections be honored/respected if the presidents in question won under questionable circumstances, e.g. George W. Bush's election in 2000 and the stopping of the Florida recount, or Donald J. Trump's election in 2016 after his call for foreign interference, alongside James Comey reopening the investigation into Hillary Clinton just before the election?

[–] Cranakis@lemmy.one 10 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Don't forget Reagan/Carter. Reagan manufactured the October Surprise, making a deal with terrorists to prolonging a hostage situation in Iran, just to tank Carter in the polls.

[–] Zaktor@sopuli.xyz 6 points 1 year ago

Yeah, the most scandal-ridden judge was appointed under H.W. Bush. They're not a particularly worthy bunch even aside from shenanigans.

[–] CosmicCleric@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

To what degree should prior selections be honored/respected if the presidents in question won under questionable circumstances

It would depend on the circumstances, but it would have to be very unique and extreme circumstances. The goal would be to avoid a Tit for Tat downward spiral to Civil War.

George W. Bush’s election in 2000 and the stopping of the Florida recount,

I believe that the mob that raided the office should not have allowed the vote counting to have been stopped. IMO it gave a green light to whomever set that up to go forward and do something along the lines of January 6th.

Having said that, no I wouldn't for this situation. Almost, but no.

or Donald J. Trump’s election in 2016 after his call for foreign interference, alongside James Comey reopening the investigation into Hillary Clinton just before the election?

No. Simple political interference wouldn't be enough, we're talking about extreme circumstances only.

[–] Kraven_the_Hunter@lemmy.dbzer0.com 8 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

My preference would be to simply enlarge the court by a few seats, nominate some additional candidates that exceed the number of available seats by 2 or 3, and then hold some sort of Survivor-like competition to see who captures the seats. I would also accept a Hunger Games style competition for this first new court session.

[–] Zaktor@sopuli.xyz 1 points 1 year ago

High-level politics should involve physical challenges. Put the judge chairs up a tall ladder and across a balance beam and we won't see so many justices dying on the bench. At least from old age rather than balance-beam accidents.