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[–] db2@sopuli.xyz 64 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Was anyone else thrown by "leased solar systems"?

[–] SupremeFuzzler@lemmy.world 30 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Why buy new, when you can just trade it in for a new model in a few millennia? You know a solar system loses 20% of its initial value just by driving it off the lot?

[–] chaogomu@kbin.social 9 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Technically, they lose about 20% of their generation capacity within a few hours of first exposing them to sunlight. It's one of those weird quirks that researchers have been trying to solve for decades.

Also, they tend to lose the rest of their generation capacity over decades, not millennia. The industry standard is for a panel to be able to produce 80% of installed capacity after 25 years.

[–] jdnewmil@lemmy.ca 15 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Jesus. The initial transient used to be about 3%, but now is under 1% for most product being sold. It was never near 20%.

But that doesn't stop idiots from saying "we have optimizers" and installing them in the shade or facing north and acting surprised when they underperform.

Note to antipodes: you do want to install yours north

[–] db2@sopuli.xyz 8 points 1 year ago (1 children)

How much capacity would you say the Milky Way has left then?

[–] chaogomu@kbin.social 6 points 1 year ago (2 children)
[–] kaitco@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Just 4 billion? Pfft! I’ll stick with fossil fuels, thanks!

[–] SinningStromgald@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

At least until vacuum or dark energy is readily available. Gotta plan for the eventual heat death of the universe ya know.

[–] MNByChoice@midwest.social 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

They also predict a 12% chance that the Solar System will be ejected from the new galaxy sometime during the collision. Such an event would have no adverse effect on the system and the chances of any sort of disturbance to the Sun or planets themselves may be remote.

"We" may be able to explore the cosmos without leaving home.

[–] jawsua@lemmy.one 2 points 1 year ago

Or, given 10 million years head start plus building time, you could use a Caplan Thruster stellar engine to make that 100% sure

[–] Bishma@discuss.tchncs.de 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

A team at NREL found evidence for the cause of this a couple years ago. It's something to do with interaction between the boron and the oxygen content within the silicon cells. If it holds up, hopefully we're on the road lessening the degradation over time.

[–] abhibeckert@lemmy.world 7 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Some panels are around 90% at 40 years now, and there isn't really much of a price premium for those panels either.

[–] SillyScythe@kbin.social 1 points 1 year ago

"meanwhile, the amount of energy guaranteed each year lessened as the panels aged. "
So it is pretty much this except the companies whilst leasing were not maintaining nor do you get to trade in.

[–] Kowowow@lemmy.ca 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Ah so it's not "leashed solar systems"

[–] db2@sopuli.xyz 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

We'll blow ourselves up before we get that far though.

[–] Kowowow@lemmy.ca 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

that actually reminds me of a thing from a scifi book I listened to where they took some low acceleration but powerful planet moving tech and smashed two decently sized planets into the enemies sun from opposite sides, by the time they got the planets to the sun they where moving as close to the speed of light as they could get them so the effect was pretty brutal

[–] db2@sopuli.xyz 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] Kowowow@lemmy.ca 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Sorry but we where looking for "what is a mass driver"

[–] db2@sopuli.xyz 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)
[–] InvertedParallax@lemm.ee 1 points 1 year ago

I was to be a God, you see?