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[–] Teppic@kbin.social -4 points 1 year ago (4 children)

I think, eventually, this is where autonomous vehicles will really come into their own.
You are absolutely right that first mile/last mile is a barrier for rail travel - but imagine if we could design the station around a fleet of AV's.

Imagine:
Your AV takes you to the station, and parks right next the platform at the exact location along the train for your seat reservation.
You wait in your nice climate controlled AV for the train to arrive - hope out and onto the train.

Meanwhile somebody else gets off the train and uses the AV you've just vacated to complete their journey.

[–] thisfro@slrpnk.net 8 points 1 year ago (1 children)

May I introduce you to the mind blowing concept of buses?

[–] Teppic@kbin.social -2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

These things all complement each other. Busses are great in urban areas, but they don't work well in rural areas, they just don't compare well vs private car when you look at generalized journey times (GJT).

[–] thisfro@slrpnk.net 4 points 1 year ago

Buses are also great in rural areas. If the too few people take the bus, a small parking lot in the front of the station may actually be fine and people can ride their bikes or maybe small electric cars there. No need for AV techbro shit

[–] Swedneck@discuss.tchncs.de 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

but why on god's green earth would you spend the money on autotaxis rather than buses and/or bike infrastructure?

[–] Teppic@kbin.social -3 points 1 year ago

All these things should work on harmony. In some situations busses and bikes don't work as well. Let's say you are going on holiday with luggage.
The end game is to reduce the the reliance on personal cars. Right now most people feel they need their own car. Much of this is down to first mile / last mile arguments.
Long headways, and high friction interchanges are things AVs could potentially help to eliminate one day. I would actively encourage consideration of multiple pickup and drop off by those AVs - key is we probably want to get people to their doors and we need high frequencies, or ad-hoc departure times to complete with car.

[–] reev@sh.itjust.works -1 points 1 year ago

Oh interesting. I like this idea way more than AVs being the entirety of the trip.

[–] themeatbridge@lemmy.world -2 points 1 year ago

Yes, exactly, this would solve the last mile problem and solve the AV problem with long-distance trips. To get there, though, you might need to make certain areas exclusively accessible via autonomous vehicles. For instance, make certain cities AV only, and free up some road space for walking and biking.

But I recognize that this is about as likely as getting everyone to stop turning green space into parking lots.