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From https://www.reddit.com/r/NoStupidQuestions/comments/14phpbq/how_is_it_possible_that_roughly_50_of_americans/

Question above is pretty blunt but was doing a study for a college course and came across that stat. How is that possible? My high school sucked but I was well equipped even with that sub standard level of education for college. Obviously income is a thing but to think 1 out of 5 American adults is categorized as illiterate is…astounding. Now poor media literacy I get, but not this. Edit: this was from a department of education report from 2022. Just incase people are curious where that comes from. It does also specify as literate in English so maybe not as grim as I thought.

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[–] legion@lemmy.world 137 points 1 year ago (5 children)

If you don't understand, start walking further away from the cities.

If you still don't understand, you're not done walking.

[–] treadful@lemmy.zip 36 points 1 year ago (1 children)

There's a slight gradient in literacy when looking at grade level but it's not really accurate with illiteracy. Seems cities can still have a considerable population that can't read.

https://nces.ed.gov/naal/estimates/StateEstimates.aspx

[–] riskable@programming.dev 3 points 1 year ago

Home schoolers/child abusers are everywhere.

Note: Not talking about legitimate, regular curriculum, "online school" for kids that can't attend normal school for whatever reason, (e.g. bullying, immunocompromised, etc). I'm referring to religious/cult garbage home schooling stuff that doesn't teach kids much of anything. Parents that put girls through these programs often end them at the fifth or sixth grade (because that's all they need to be "good wives").

[–] mochi@lemdit.com 28 points 1 year ago (2 children)

If you think the problem is in the countryside, you've never been to New York City, and particularly the Bronx.

[–] BurtsBS@lemm.ee 4 points 1 year ago
[–] Xero@infosec.pub 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I grew up in New York city, and lived in the Bronx. Most of the people living there are literate in their mother tongue, less so in English. Is that what you were trying to say?

[–] mochi@lemdit.com 7 points 1 year ago

No. What I meant to say is that native English speakers in the Bronx have poor literacy rates.

https://www.norwoodnews.org/bronx-barriers-literacy-challenge/

[–] Kaiser@lemmy.zip 25 points 1 year ago

Walk far enough into certain cities and you’ll see the same problem. It’s very closely tied to socio-economic class and a self perpetuating problem.

[–] Rannoch@lemm.ee 20 points 1 year ago (1 children)

To add to this, I think people often underestimate how "easy" it can be to function in society without being able to read well. I know that some folks who either don't read at all or read at a very low level have just gotten used to interpreting the world around them without the language part. For example, visually recognizing a username and password field on a website and knowing what they're for, or recognizing the symbols and colors used for certain objects or meanings, all without the actual words needing to mean anything to them for them to understand what it is and what to do with it. And for those who can read at a 5th or 4th grade level (and would thus be included in the stat mentioned in this post), they're likely then very capable of reading and understanding the majority of text they're going to come across in their day-to-day lives.

Of course, I don't want this to sound like I'm saying being illiterate is easy, I'm sure it creates MANY barriers and difficulties for the person, but I do think humans are also flexible and resilient, and are able to survive using other cues.

[–] reedthompson@reddthat.com 14 points 1 year ago

It sounds so much harder than just reading.

But I believe it. I work in law and often need clients to respond in writing to questions (so we have a record of their answers). The barely-coherent poorly-spelled responses we get are astonishing - and often from pretty well educated, smart people with high level jobs (after all, they can afford a lawyer).

[–] Ullallulloo@civilloquy.com 13 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

You have it backwards actually. You need to walk further into the cities to see the really poorly-educated.

Here's the actual data. Look at Illinois for example. All the rural counties are right around 8% functional illiteracy. Then Cook County (Chicago) is literally double at 19%. The trend seems to repeat in every state. Queens and Brooklyn are the most illiterate parts of NY, while far-away Ontario County is the most literate.

The only real exception is in the Southwest. California's most illiterate county is rural Imperial County with a whopping 41% illiteracy because of all the immigration.