The trajectory Hungary took after transition to capitalism mirrors what happened in most post USSR states. This just further supports the point that the communist system was better.

[–] dontcarebear@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

That is just the classic "Communism failed and the proof is the USSR!" Turned on it's head.

This more of a Hungary problem then a capitalism problem, although I'm sure it does it's fair share of damage.

Should they go back to communism? Maybe. I'm sure liberals, socialists and communists would all agree that kicking Orban out is a good first step.

[–] yogthos@lemmy.ml 8 points 1 year ago (1 children)

What happened in countries like Hungary and Poland is a direct result of the transition to capitalism however. What's more this transition happened under the best possible conditions. The transition happened largely democratically without any violent revolutions, and these countries got support from the west to soften economic impact of the transition. Yet, despite all that we see that majority of post Soviet countries end up going in a similar direction under capitalism. Again, Hungary isn't an outlier here.

[–] dontcarebear@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Ok, so it is not nostalgia, bad management, corruption, disillusionment "of how great capitalism is"... it is only that post Soviet nations had it better during the communist era and thus are better managed as Communist nations.

Whelp, I'll just remain a skeptic.

I wish the post Soviet nations, completely unsarcastically, good luck in the next elections or revolution. I would be happy to see the communist ideology continue to thrive in the face of capitalist debt slavery, and the contemptuous bourgeoisie.

[–] yogthos@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Thing is that bad management, corruption, and so on, have happened in every human society that has ever existed. A political system isn't magically going to change that. What a political system can do however is create different selection pressures for behavior. Capitalist system selects for different kinds of behaviors than a communist one. As we see with the case of transition from communism to capitalism in eastern Europe, the selection pressures of capitalism result in far worse things happening than under communism.

[–] dontcarebear@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Idealistically? Yes. I wholeheartedly agree. Capitalism will always encourage unfair competition, whereas socialism will strive to end it by its very definition.

I'm just still unconvinced that the post Soviet nations, as a whole, suffer the same "communism withdrawal symptom". The systematic pressures might be so that switching to Communism now will simply fail again (and let's not forget the dear old CIA... eh?).

Again, hope I'm wrong, but I don't see the point you're making as clearly as you do. I think it is a more complicated situation, but I sure do think that being more socialist wouldn't hurt them.

And I can't repeat this enough, remove Orban the dictator from power.

[–] yogthos@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 year ago

Unfortunately, I expect that things are going to get worse before they get better. I don't think people who are in power now will simply let it go the way communists did.