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cross-posted from: https://lemmy.ml/post/5431344

The enshittification of the internet follows a predictable trajectory: first, platforms are good to their users; then they abuse their users to make things better for their business customers; finally, they abuse those business customers to claw back all the value for themselves. Then, they die. It doesn't have to be this way. Enshittification occurs when companies gobble each other up in an orgy of mergers and acquisitions, reducing the internet to "five giant websites filled with screenshots of text from the other four" (credit to Tom Eastman!), which lets them endlessly tweak their back-ends to continue to shift value from users and business-customers to themselves. The government gets in on the act by banning tweaking by users - reverse-engineering, scraping, bots and other user-side self-help measures - leaving users helpless before the march of enshittification. We don't have to accept this! Disenshittifying the internet will require antitrust, limits on corporate tweaking - through privacy laws and other protections - and aggressive self-help measures from alternative app stores to ad blockers and beyond!

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[–] ashtefere@lemmy.world 23 points 1 year ago (2 children)

We need more than this.

We need a way to make sure that the internet can't be owned, physically.

We need some kind of easy to use and fast and robust open source alternate internet that we can all use.

Something that somehow costs nothing to run, that has enough storage and bandwidth for everyone and everything.

Something that has interoperability built in. Every platform should confirm to openid or openauth or activitypub or something like that.

And you know what? we have the technology!

We all have spare devices lying around. Old PC's, old laptops, old phones - they could all be running some kind of node in a distributed platform of some kind of open source AWS equivalent, and let anyone host anything and post anything without getting ad-raped or data stolen.

It's a pipe dream of mine, and I'm sure others... but with a will and a movement we could just take it all back, all at once.

[–] Rouxibeau@lemmy.world 10 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

and let anyone host anything

That's how they'll spin the legislation to ban it:

Pedophiles and terrorists use that service!

Side note -- I wanted to use 'X' instead as a variable above, but Musk ruined that.

[–] lloram239@feddit.de 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

That's why you need digital signatures and authorship tracking. Copyright just by itself would already put an end to every P2P alternative or at least stop it from ever gaining any mass traction. On the other side if everybody put a digital signature under their published work, others could mirror it without themselves becoming responsible and you could have take downs of objectionable material via blacklists.

So far very few of the P2P alternatives implement anything like that and even those that do just have arbitrary accounts that don't link back to any real person.

This of course goes against the whole anonymity and privacy focus that has been predominant in this field for the last 20 years. But if we actually want a real alternative to the Web, not just some toy app with a dozen users, I think it's the only way to go. And of course you could also have a layer of indirection in there to provide some anonymity or pseudonymity, so it's not like those things would be impossible, just reduced.

[–] vacuumflower@lemmy.sdf.org 3 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Search for Locutus, it's very similar to what I've been imagining, only real (well, not yet, it's a project).

[–] kandoh@reddthat.com 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] vacuumflower@lemmy.sdf.org 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Is that a Star Trek reference?

[–] uskok@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago

It is, Locutus was a commander in the battle at Wolf 359.

https://memory-alpha.fandom.com/wiki/Battle_of_Wolf_359

[–] KonalaKoala@lemmy.world 2 points 6 months ago

The result you may get then is "I am... Locutus of Enshittification. Resistane... is futile. You life, as it has been... is over. From this time forward... you will service... us" which may make you go "Lock on and file all weapons on full!'