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[-] Beanedwizard@lemmy.world 13 points 1 year ago

Does anyone have a source about the Russian attrition rate? I can’t find one

[-] olafurp@lemmy.world 20 points 1 year ago

They’re conservative about planes and attack helis but have enough. Money is good, oil good, cash reserves ok debt to GDP more than good. Workforce very big but affected

But still... They’re low on tanks, artillery shells, Combat experience, Air defence systems,

Russia as a whole is doing fine attrition wise but they’re equipment is being blown back 40 years. On top of that Ukrainians are doing very well and are cost effective. Russia spends multiple $ for every $ sent to Ukraine.

[-] Piecemakers3Dprints@lemmy.world 11 points 1 year ago

The decoys alone are costing Russia ~$1mil per, and they cost =/< $1k ea. Those are impressively effective numbers. 🤩🤘🏼

[-] Nobody@lemmy.world 7 points 1 year ago

The Russians are liquidating the Soviet stockpile that was built while they were a global military superpower. They don't have the capacity to rebuild that arsenal. Russia is being taken off the world stage as a military power for at least three decades.

[-] TheWoozy@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

Sanctions are hurting them so badly that they are importing weapons from China (small arms, armor), Iran (drones) & North Korea (shells).

[-] uis@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

No, it is result of corruption. If sanctions truly hurt military budget, then Putin could not afford to import.

[-] uis@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

They are low on shells, tanks and AA. Combat experience is more than anyone would want.

[-] olafurp@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

They die before getting any. Newly mobilised soldiers are a massive portion of their army now.

[-] 1st@kbin.social 12 points 1 year ago

It's worded in such a way as to be meaningless - half of what? The original number of Russian soldiers, the original number plus Wagner and other extra troops, the current number deployed with/without mercenaries? Plus Russia's numbers don't look like US numbers, don't quite look like Ukraines numbers.

That said heres the first source I found:

Russia’s military casualties, the officials said, are approaching 300,000. The number includes as many as 120,000 deaths and 170,000 to 180,000 injured troops. The Russian numbers dwarf the Ukrainian figures, which the officials put at close to 70,000 killed and 100,000 to 120,000 wounded.

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Russia has almost triple that number, with 1,330,000 active-duty, reserve and paramilitary troops — most of the latter from the Wagner Group.

Those numbers refer to the current number of deployed and undeployed Russian soldiers plus mercenaries, which is clearly not the numbers the ad is using.

To be clear, I fully support Ukraine and fully support the US guaranteeing missile manufacturers that we will buy new missiles even if the war ends tomorrow to incentivise greater production. I just think the ad played with the numbers until they said what we want them to say.

Source for both quotes: https://www.nytimes.com/2023/08/18/us/politics/ukraine-russia-war-casualties.html

[-] uis@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

are approaching 300,000.

Sounds legit. Last batch of IDs for families with dead soldiers is slightly more than 300k.

[-] fromagemangeur@mander.xyz 1 points 1 year ago

The over 1m stat is a bit of an exaggeration - the more accurate figure is closer to 750,000. See https://cepa.org/article/russias-military-manpower-crunch-will-worsen/

Charitably, 300,000 casualties would be ~40%. Of course it's still very good value for military spending...

[-] olafurp@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago

Sorry about the other answer being vague. The actual numbers are military secrets and we’ll have to wait for a leak to actually know.

[-] Getawombatupya@aussie.zone 2 points 1 year ago

Perun did an analysis a couple of weeks ago. In short, Russia is building new stuff, but the mix of losses show a fair bit of stockpile has been used. https://youtu.be/ctrtAwT2sgs

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