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Anti-LGTBQ “Million March For Children” outnumbered by “Billion March For Not Being Bigots”
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The only argument I've heard that makes any sense is against gender surgery or hormone treatments, with the argument being that they're not adults and may regret having that medical intervention later. Truth be told, I don't know enough to say whether that's right or wrong, but I do think that's a reasonable argument (but I would want to hear actual medical opinions over this instead of feelings opinions).
But pretty much everything else about it is silly and undisguised bigotry.
Not teaching kids about being queer isn't going to make them not queer, as queerness existed before we named it. Dismissing it as a phase is kind of pointless as even if it were a phase, exploring pronouns and gender identity isn't going to hurt them. Saying it's just a mental illness to be queer is harmful and even if true it has a reliable treatment called gender affirming care. Stuff like making kids get parental permission to be addressed by preferred pronouns is clearly setting up abusive situations, so I don't get how any (non bigoted) people can fully support that.
Maybe the one other thing is I do think drag story time is weird. I know the argument is it's like an actor known for R rated movies doing G rated ones, but drag shows are more like an adult burlesque show and I wouldn't bring kids to burlesque story hour either. People being in drag doesn't bother me, but the drag queen thing is different to that.
Edit: I accept that the first doesn't happen, my point was just that doctors who are sworn not to harm people should be the only ones deciding what medical decisions people are allowed to make.
The second one is a bad comparison yes, but I'm allowed to personally not like it. I don't think it should be banned or that it is what people say it is.
You are spreading lies. I hope it's unintentional.
Minors are not getting gender surgery and the few that get access to anything hormonal are not offered anything irreversible.
Equating "story time" with adult burlesque is just simple bigotry. Someone dressing up as a princess to read a story to kids isn't burlesque, regardless of their gender.
So delaying or stopping puberty, for how long? your body will turn out exactly like if you had not delayed/stopped hormones?
Well, I'm no medical professional, but medical professionals have been prescribing puberty blockers for other things for decades, and if they were as dangerous as all that, then you'd think the FDA would have banned that by now.
Besides which, access to treatments like those ones are documented to reduce rates of self-harm, including suicide, among kids with gender dysphoria. And if your metric is the body turning out like it would have without these treatments, well, I hope I don't need to fill in the blank for you.
Yeah that is good for them. It just seems wrong to say its reversible.
They're more reversible than suicide.
But sure, I hear you, that doesn't actually answer the question. So here's an authoritative source on the matter. To drastically hyper-over-simplify, they basically are.
More than suicide yes, but the science is not there to be able to say its basically reversible. It will have an effect being without sex hormones during when you should have started puberty. Im not against the treatment, it just sounds ridicolous to say its will have no impact on your boodys development.
Wait, did I misunderstand you the whole time? Are you actually saying that the problem with puberty blockers is that they block puberty? Did you somehow miss where that's literally the entire point of them?
Also, repeating the same claim you just made again while ignoring the authoritative source I just provided that contradicts it is some shit I see creationists doing. Not a good look. If you support trans people, like you say in your next comment, then why are you arguing this in the same way someone who doesn't support trans people would?
Those are rational concerns. They really are. And these are all concerns that a physician could address when talking to their patients who might be starting to question their gender. And that's how it should stay.
All that to say that unless you are a trained physician, or are an adult experiencing gender dysphoria, or are the parent of a child experiencing it, it's none of your business. Trans people exist. Let them exist peacefully.
Why do you think im against trans people? Im not, the poster above complained about missinfo while saying its fully reversrble.
If your criteria are that a medical treatment is absolutely 100% safe and can be reversed as if absolutely no intervention was completed, then well, yeah, we shouldn't have Tylenol. Medicine is ALWAYS about balancing risks, and trying to make sure things are the least invasive option. It's done every day, in every Drs office.
Concern trolling about this particular case while spreading misinformation is in fact being "against" those particular people. Let them work out the safest option with their doctor in peace, like you would be able to do with your own health concerns. For all practical purposes, puberty blockers are relatively safe and reversible.
Please re-read my statement. I didn't say you are against trans people. I simply said that these are discussions best left to a person and their physician. As a cis man, I should have as much say in the matter as I do on abortion or breast reduction or hysterectomy, which is none until it directly involves me or my immediate family.
Hello, sorry this is off-topic but how do you like lemmy.film? I was thinking of making an account there but I was worried about whether it was gonna be riddled with transphobes. How's the vibe there?