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Indeed, once the AI gets good enough, the value of pictures and videos will plummet to zero.
Ironically, in a sense we will revert back to the era before photography existed. To verify if something is real, we might have to rely on witness testimony.
Politics is about to get WILD
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Shit's going to get real emotional
I'd vote for Terry Crews. No lie.
This is not going to work. Just because images and videos become less reliable that doesn't mean we will forget about the fact that eyewitness testimony is very unreliable.
You say "forget" like it's not still incredibly common as evidence.
There's lots of data showing that eyewitnesses aren't reliable but that doesn't mean courts actually stopped relying on it. Ai making another form of evidence untrustworthy will result in eyewitnesses taking its place.
This just isn't true. They will still be used to sexualise people, mostly girls and women, against their consent. It's no different from AI-generated child pornography. It does harm even if no 'real' people appear in the images.
Fucking horrible world we're forced to live in. Where's the fucking exit?
It is different than AI-generated CSAM because real people are actually being harmed by these deepfake images.
I was replying to someone who was claiming they aren't harmful as long as everyone knows they're fake. Maybe nitpick them, not me?
Reak kids are harmed by AI CSAM normalising a problem they should be seeking help for, not getting off on.
How about no. Look up on wikipedia what countries have ruled fictional CP is legal, but CSAM with actual children is as illegal as here. Then check the level of technological development, financial development and political stability of them. Not seeing a pattern? Then check the number of sexual assaults in those countries compared to countries of similar development levels. Now check the number of sexual assaults across ALL ages and genders in countries where all pornography is illegal.
Now, I'm not going to make any absolute claims. All I know is that actual psychologists have spoken out about the line between harmless (as in, would never consider harming a child) pedophiles and people who would be rapists even if they weren't sexualizing kids, and 15 year olds have spent time in a prison for age-of-majority sexual offenders because some asshole pedo creep with hacking skills used the teenage boy's computer as remote storage for CSAM material and the teen was arrested for someone else's crime.
I get why this is a controversial topic. I hate people who harm kids too. Just realize that laws meant to "protect kids" can end up harming kids (not to mention adults who are not guilty of crimes) or even fail to recognize that people hurting kids goes way beyond pedophile sickos and non-sexual violence against kids has itself become a serious problem yet is not being acknowledged.
The laws as they are need to start taking a more generalist view of this, because when pastors can get away with this disgusting behavior and judges can send a completely innocent 10 year old to juvie for a $500 kickback and not even flinch when the boy commits suicide, or a judge even sending an autistic boy who killed someone to the death penalty instead of accepting the insanity plea?
It says we (adults in general) don't really care about children, only looking like we do.
A bit off topic, but I wonder if the entertainment industry as a whole is going to be completely destroyed by AI when it gets good enough.
I can totally see myself prompting “a movie about love in the style of Star Wars, with Ryan Gosling and Audrey Hepburn as the leads, directed by Alfred Hitchcock, written by Vincent Hugo.” And then what? It’s game over for any content creation.
Curious if I’ll see that kind of power at home (using open source tools) in my lifetime.
I envisage a world where your browsing Netflix, and based on past preferences some of the title cards are generated on the fly for you. Then based on what you click, the AI engine warms us and generates the film for you in real-time. Essentially indistinguishable from the majority of Hollywood regurgitation.
And because the script is just a series of autogenerated prompts, its like a choose your own adventure book, you can steer the narrative the way you want if you elect to. Otherwise it'll be good enough to keep most monkey brains happy and you won't even be able to tell the difference most of the time.
Then the real money will be in hipster retro human-generated movies
And it will work, because we've grown used to Hollywood being so repetitive.
I know it's impossible to perfectly predict future technology, but I believe AI will exist alongside traditional filmmaking. You'll NEVER get something with the emotional impact of Up or Schindler's List from an AI. You'll be able to make fun action or fantasy movies though, and like you said, fully customized for the viewer. I imagine it'll be like CGI vs traditional animation now - you only see the latter for passion projects, but for most uses, CGI works well enough.
This is already starting to happen for digital illustration. With better models and enough images saved, you can already train a model to replicate the art created by an artist.
Holy shit, I never thought of the whole witness testimony aspect. For some reason my mind was just like “well, nothing we see in videos or pictures is real anymore, guess everyone is just gonna devolve into believing whatever confirms their bias and argue endlessly about which pictures are fake and which are real.”
Witness testimony and live political interactions are going to become incredibly important for how our society views “the truth” in world events in the near future. I don’t know if I love or hate that.
Not necessarily, solutions can implemented. For example, footage from private security cameras can be sent to trusted establishment (trusted by the court at least) in real time which can be timestamped and stored (maybe not necessarily even stored there, encryption with timestamp may be enough). If source private camera and the network is secure, footage is also secure.
Network security is a pretty big ask though - just look at how many unsecured cameras are around now. And once an attacker is in anything generated on that network becomes suspect - how do you know the security camera feed wasn't intercepted, manipulated, or replaced altogether?
Maybe there will be cameras as well that sign the pictures they take?
FTFY. Witness has never been that good a means to verify something is real.