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[–] TraumaDumpling@hexbear.net 30 points 1 year ago (1 children)

leftists: there were war crimes being committed in ukraine before 2022, the country has a real nazi problem. please look up the UN reports

liberals: i refuse to do literally any research myself but theres definitely no evidence for that lol ur basically a capitalist

[–] kandoh@reddthat.com 2 points 1 year ago (5 children)

Every country has a Nazi problem. India has a Nazi program. The US has a Nazi problem. Ukraine has a Nazi problem and a Jewish leader, and it's being attacked by Russia, a country with a larger Nazi problem.

[–] ProxyTheAwesome@hexbear.net 18 points 1 year ago

No, Ukraine has the most Nazis in power anywhere on Earth. They control the dept of the interior, the intelligence services, the upper brass of the military and are revered as heroes. Nowhere else on Earth has Nazis like Ukraine

[–] Babs@hexbear.net 16 points 1 year ago (2 children)

If Russia has a bigger nazi problem, why is it Ukrainian soldiers who keep getting caught wearing nazi symbols? If Russia had a bigger nazi problem, I'd expect to see an absolute flood of pics of Russian soldiers wearing black suns, but we don't. Where's the equivalent of former Ukrainian president Poroshenko wearing a nazi patch, or the idolization of Bandera?

[–] space_comrade@hexbear.net 4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

I've seen one picture of a Nazi fighting with the DPR, also there's the Rusich Group which is like a few dozen people.

But that's about it, the rest of the Nazis were from the Ukrainian side from what I saw.

[–] kandoh@reddthat.com 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Buddy, even just casually paying attention you should have heard 'Wagner Group'. Maybe you're just not looking too closely.

[–] Babs@hexbear.net 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Russia used and then decapitated a fashy private military company, Ukraine hails their Nazis as national heroes and incorporated them into their government and military. I believe the claim was that Russia has a bigger Nazi problem. It should be no problem to find a mass of evidence of this - after all, Nazi symbols pop up constantly on photos of Ukrainian soldiers, yet when you ask about Russian Nazis you just get the same couple pictures again and again. Is the Rusisch group really comparable at all to Azov?

[–] kandoh@reddthat.com 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

There are more images of Ukrainian Nazi symbols than Russian Nazi symbols for several reasons, including:

  1. The conflict in Ukraine has received more media coverage than Russia's involvement in the conflict, resulting in more images of Ukrainian soldiers and their symbols being circulated in the media[1][5].
  2. The use of Nazi symbols by Ukrainian soldiers has been a controversial topic, with some arguing that it highlights the country's complicated relationship with Nazi imagery[1]. This has led to more scrutiny of Ukrainian soldiers and their symbols, resulting in more images being captured and shared.
  3. The Ukrainian government has condemned the use of Nazi symbols by its soldiers, while the Russian government has not made similar statements about its soldiers[1][3]. This may have led to more attention being paid to Ukrainian soldiers and their symbols.
  4. Some far-right groups in Ukraine have been known to use Nazi symbols, which has contributed to the perception that Ukraine has a "neo-Nazi problem"[6]. This perception has led to more scrutiny of Ukrainian soldiers and their symbols.
  5. Russian propaganda has falsely claimed that Ukraine is a Nazi state, which has led to more attention being paid to Ukrainian soldiers and their symbols[1].

Overall, the greater media coverage of the conflict in Ukraine, the controversy surrounding the use of Nazi symbols by Ukrainian soldiers, and Russian propaganda have all contributed to there being more images of Ukrainian Nazi symbols than Russian Nazi symbols.

Citations:

[1] NYT on Ukraine's Nazi Imagery: It's 'Complicated' - FAIR.org https://fair.org/home/nyt-on-ukraines-nazi-imagery-its-complicated/

[2] Is there any truth to Russia's 'Ukrainian Nazis' propaganda? – DW – 12/03/2022 https://www.dw.com/en/fact-check-is-there-any-truth-to-russias-ukrainian-nazis-propaganda/a-63970461

[3] Illia Ponomarenko: Why some Ukrainian soldiers use Nazi-related insignia - The Kyiv Independent https://kyivindependent.com/illia-ponomarenko-why-some-ukrainian-soldiers-use-nazi-related-insignia/

[4] Why Have So Many Neo-Nazis Rallied to Ukraine's Cause? | Opinion - Newsweek https://www.newsweek.com/why-have-so-many-neo-nazis-rallied-ukraines-cause-opinion-1804642

[5] Nazi Symbols on Ukraine's Front Lines Highlight Thorny Issues of History - The New York Times https://www.nytimes.com/2023/06/05/world/europe/nazi-symbols-ukraine.html

[6] Commentary: Ukraine's neo-Nazi problem - Reuters https://www.reuters.com/article/us-cohen-ukraine-commentary/commentary-ukraines-neo-nazi-problem-idUSKBN1GV2TY

[–] Babs@hexbear.net 2 points 1 year ago

Damn, really running defense for the nazis there.

Yes there are a shitload of photos of open nazis in the Ukrainian army, but "it's complicated" I guess.

[–] ThomasMuentzner@hexbear.net 11 points 1 year ago

not like that Mr. I wanna demonstrate the Central Point !

[–] StalinwasaGryffindor@hexbear.net 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Even if that was all true, why don’t we just let the nazi countries fight each other? Why on earth are we funding, training and arming any nazis at all?

[–] kandoh@reddthat.com 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

What percentage of the Ukrainian population are you writing off as Nazi's? Which country would you have a problem with Russia invading and swallowing up if not Ukraine?

[–] StalinwasaGryffindor@hexbear.net 1 points 1 year ago

I am completely opposed to arming, funding and training nazis, full stop