this post was submitted on 16 Sep 2023
46 points (82.9% liked)
Programming
17432 readers
235 users here now
Welcome to the main community in programming.dev! Feel free to post anything relating to programming here!
Cross posting is strongly encouraged in the instance. If you feel your post or another person's post makes sense in another community cross post into it.
Hope you enjoy the instance!
Rules
Rules
- Follow the programming.dev instance rules
- Keep content related to programming in some way
- If you're posting long videos try to add in some form of tldr for those who don't want to watch videos
Wormhole
Follow the wormhole through a path of communities !webdev@programming.dev
founded 1 year ago
MODERATORS
you are viewing a single comment's thread
view the rest of the comments
view the rest of the comments
I'm not sure I agree that Void is a bottom type. If so, void-functions would never be able to return/terminate. Java's void is probably more of a unit type.
They allude to this later, acknowledging that it's sort of a cross between unit and bottom.
No it's not, it is 100% a unit type (except it's not really a type, since you can only use it as return type and nowhere else)
It's not possible to instantiate or assign, which is more like a never type than a unit; and it is not possible to define new types with the same properties, which is also more like bottom than unit. But you're right that it's not actually a true never type since it can't represent function divergence.
I think the truth is just that Java's type system isn't very mathematically disciplined.
Actually, this is because
void
is not a type, it is just a keyword, a placeholder used instead of the return type when a function doesn't return anything.If it were a bottom type, that would mean that a method returning
void
must diverge, which is simply not true.Also, if it were a bottom type, it would be possible to write an "unreachable" method
Even though it couldn't be called, it should be possible to define it, if
void
was a bottom type. But it is not, becausevoid
isn't a bottom type, it's no type at all.The post has been edited; it looks like someone on reddit made essentially the same point. You're right of course that
void
isn't a true type in Java, but the post now also discusses Void, which I suppose just shows how void infects the type system despite not being a type.