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Ban the breeding of all dogs.
A good idea when you consider bulldogs and boxer health conditions.
What about dying breeds like English Setters? Like pandas they need some encouragement or assistance or they'll die out all together? Given what a good boy my mum's English is, I say preservation of the breed is worth it.
As in selectively or sterilize all dogs?
As in don't own and operate puppy mills. Don't play doctor Frankenstein with your dogs and create abominations. Don't forcibly impregnate dogs to make them pregnant.
The world of dog breeding is terrible and needs to end. Not the world of dogs just like...casually making puppies. That's fine.
Puppy mills are terrible. As is breeding brachycephalic dogs like pugs, or particularly inbred breeds.
But working dogs are usually part of a deliberate breeding program for a reason. Seeing Eye, for example, breeds their guide dogs specially. You don't put random mutts in the Iditarod, nor would you use them as livestock guardians or to herd sheep. That breeding program might or might not involve purebreds, but it definitely involves breeding healthy dogs to purpose.
More to the point, though, what's wrong with someone getting a couple performance titles on a purebred dog, health testing it, and breeding it to another titled, health tested dog that's as distantly related as possible?
I feel like you missed the point of the person you're replying to or maybe replied to the wrong one?
Puppy mills that are for profit and abuse animals are not even close to the market you're talking about. Seeing eye dogs make great sense for breeding purposes since a person's life can literally depend on it. Actually both of your examples are when a dog isnt a pet first, their primary role is a job. Those aren't puppy mill type dogs. Seeing eye dogs are probably not going to be from irresponsible backyard breeders. Work dogs are probably from word of mouth in communities that need them.
That doesn't say "only puppy mills need to end", but that all dog breeding needs to end because puppy mills are shitty, and we should just have casual oops litters instead.
So you think puppy mills are terrible but using and abusing dogs for their labor is perfectly fine? You really supporting Iditarod?
Abusing dogs for labor? No, I don't agree with that.
Merely using dogs for labor? That's fine.
Work is mentally simulating and enjoyable for many breeds of dog. A border collie who actually gets to herd sheep is going to have a lot more fun that day than one who just sat on the couch.
Huskies love running. This past March, a rookie fell off his sled and his team ran the 18 miles to the next station without him.
There's a reason why tons of dog owners do sportified versions of dog jobs for fun.
So then we just let them loose to procreate on their own? Or you saying we should just let the breeds humans create die out, and let the wolves thrive naturally in our society?
I'm not against sterilization or adoption, just breeding.
Yes, we loose them to procreate on their own. "Pure-breeding" often leads to many genetical defects. Dog breeds are not genetically distant enough to he considered species; "mutts" are real dogs.
Good breeders know to keep their genetic stock wider and look out for resessive traits, etc. They're not the same as puppy farms.
I think that's an even worse idea. It wasn't always a good thing, but those dogs have bad traits that we are aware of, and know how to fix through proper fixing dames to studs. We can systematically remove problem breeds that way so that they are healthy, well rounded dog breeds created by a design to undo all of the errors of designer dogs and stupid ass "dog trainers" for fighting has done.