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If you are looking for a "normal" desktop, there's KDE, Cinnamon and Xfce.
Don't try to turn Gnome into something it wasn't designed to be.
Gnome is great for a keyboard-and-touchpad-driven workflow on notebooks. You can install one or two extensions to tweak it a bit, preferably through your distros package manager (which solves the issue of extensions breaking after a Gnome update).
But if you find yourself collecting a list of them, or want a more traditional UI, choose a different DE.
You can easily get away with more than one or two. I typically run between eight and ten and have rarely had any issues surrounding updates.
It's really just as simple as waiting a week or two after a new Gnome version drops before you update. By then, the vast majority of the more popular extensions will have already fixed any compatibility issues or, if not, there's a very good chance that an outdated extension can be replaced by a newer alternative.
I usually stick to two or three and don't try to findmentally change the workflow but you are right, especially for small changes like this one!
Don't tell me what to do. We all have our own preferences, that's the beauty of Linux.
Personally, I have tried many different desktop environments with various customizations. I still think that GNOME + Extensions is the most beautiful and productive desktop experience for me.
Even despite the obvious flaws of GNOME, I still find it easier to customize and configure to my personal preferences than other desktop environments.
I think the point they were making was that Gnome is made for a touchpad / keyboard driven approach, so complaining that it's not something else or that it requires multiple extensions is pointless.
If you use 15 extensions to get your perfect desktop and don't say a word, no-ones going to care, just don't complain when it breaks.
This comment reads like you've never actually tried Gnome with proper extensions (like arc menu and dash-to-panel), because those aren't even comparable in quality. I mean that when comparing to KDE as well.
I want to love XFCE, but whisker-menu doesn't support opening it on meta key release, which is baffling to me. Also the lack of night mode, which redshift is just throwing a random program into the mix. Which if you don't mind that, then you wouldn't have a problem with Gnome extensions in the first place.
Install 10 Gnome extensions to get KDE Plasma but worse. Well to each their own I suppose. At least Gnome looks nice, I can't deny that. IMHO that is the one advantage they do have over KDE Plasma.
Yeah, if I can't use dash-to-panel, I'm not using GNOME lmao. It feels like such a basic feature and a complete oversight that it isn't part of GNOME on its own.
It's not, it's a rock solid, slow moving desktop that emulates a familiar experience for every Windows user and dose so awesome, my dad couldn't use KDE or Gnome and XFCE is great too but far closer to that ancient description and harder to use than Cinnamon for most normal people, it's simply perfect for people like my Dad even compared to Windows!
Many people think this way because the way it is usually shipped is extremely vanilla, but it offers a lot of configuration and customization; more than Cinnamon. XFCE supports fully configurable keyboard shortcuts and quarter window tiling. I'm pretty sure the last time I tried Cinnamon you couldn't just instantly place a window in a quarter tile with one keyboard shortcut, and it had to be done with two separate shortcuts. That is just one example of many.
And XFCE can be made to look every bit as good and modern as any of the other major DEs, the best example that I can point to without setting it up yourself is to boot into a live Manjaro XFCE. Regardless of however you feel about Manjaro, they did a good job theming XFCE.
Could you help me set whisker-menu to open on meta key release? This is default behavior on every other DE, yet seems completely unsupported on XFCE. It needs to explicitly be on key release, otherwise it breaks every single keyboard shortcut that relies on the meta key.
One thing that does work, in Keyboard > Application Shortcuts set xfce4-popup-whiskermenu to Alt+F1 then your super key will still open Whisker but only on a quick release, it will not open if you hold it down which allows you to assign other shortcuts to it. See this thread for more information, there may be one additional step you have to take if it doesn't immediately work for you.
I have whisker set to open on Ctrl+Space because that is what I got used to using when I was a Windows user and using Launchy. But I hear you, there should be a better way to set it to on release, and there has been a lot of discussion over it. It looks like there are a couple patches for libxfce4ui available that do set it to on release but I have not used them.
I'm glad there's discussion for it at least. This is a really annoying thing for me. Otherwise it pretty much nails most things for me. I have some other small issues, but those don't prevent swapping over to it. But right now it competes with dash-to-panel extension on Gnome for me, and Gnome is winning there. But once XFCE does have that, it's nice jumping to it for consistently, since you know your work flow won't change even from a year from now.