Fred Hampton's murder is common knowledge, you can just google it (and keep in mind the US propaganda machine bias with that, but it's even still not in question the cops just bust down the door and blew him away in bed). As for the BLM founders, a quick search also brought up https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/sep/08/ferguson-protest-leader-darren-seals-shot-dead-burning-car and https://www.rollingstone.com/culture/culture-news/ferguson-death-mystery-black-lives-matter-michael-brown-809407/ There's also Obama setting the precedent for having US citizens accused of being terrorists murdered without trial in drone strikes. And consider whistleblowers like Snowden and Assange, the latter will almost certainly be killed if extradited back to the US and has already been tortured severely. Look into even just the stuff the CIA has itself admitted to, it's heinous.

[–] goat@sh.itjust.works 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I'm well aware that the US is evil. However I'm still on the fence about the US government sanctioning the assassinations of the BLM founders.

[–] LemmeAtEm@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

It was probably state or local cops who murdered the BLM founders, but it was clearly coordinated assassinations. But no offense, you're still being a bit naive if you think those kinds of targeted assassinations don't happen, sometimes (if not most of the time) with the go-ahead from the very top. Even when it's not from the top, it's still US government killings.

[–] goat@sh.itjust.works 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

And how about the mass killings of scientists and doctors during Covid?

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-52568716

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/10/06/world/asia/covid-china-doctor-li-wenliang.html

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2023/02/05/world/asia/china-obits-covid.html

Surely we can come to the agreement that both of these nations are evil fuckers, no?

[–] LemmeAtEm@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I don't trust western sources on China because they have a very strong vested interest in demonizing China now. Some of the things I've seen come from the nytimes in particular is straight up lies. I also wouldn't trust Chinese state media reporting on how the US did everything it could to downplay Covid and get people back to work even as there were more waves of death from it. (I wouldn't trust China if they were the ones telling me that, but I know it's true because I lived through it.)

I would bet China does do some nefarious shit at times too, but they are open about it when they take down billionaires, which the US would never do in the first place. I flat do not believe anything the nytimes or the BBC says about China, though. I've seen too much unabashed propaganda from those outlets on things not even having to do with China. No way I'll believe they're telling the truth about their ideological and economic enemy.

To get down to the basis of what I think, yes, China probably does some pretty bad shit sometimes, but I don't think it does anywhere near as bad as what the largest global super power, the bully on the world stage, the US does all the damn time. I hands down believe the US does far far worse, even if there is no country in the world that doesn't have some blood on its own hands.

[–] goat@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Shame that's as far as you're willing to engage. I never threw out of your sources.

[–] LemmeAtEm@lemmy.ml 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Willing to engage? wtf I never stopped engaging. And the sources I sent aren't from one country that's making claims about their enemy. In case you didn't notice, the Guardian and RollingStone are not from China. lol On top of that, they aren't "my" sources, I literally just showed you something you could have googled for yourself and found out from American sources.

What a disappointment. I thought you might be a reasonable person for a while there, but that last comment just shows how obtuse you're choosing to be, and how unwilling to recognize bias when it doesn't suit you to do so. Typical, but still disappointing. Whatever, enjoy whatever picture you have in your head for how the world is as told to you by the apparatus that has power over you, I won't try to challenge it. I'm going to bed anyway. bye.

[–] goat@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 year ago

Mate you're asking for chinese sources from a country where the state owns all media.