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If so, was it polled somewhere?

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[–] goat@sh.itjust.works 17 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] Freeanotherday@hexbear.net 20 points 1 year ago (2 children)

When asked whether they believe their country is democratic, those in China topped the list, with some 83% saying the communist-led People's Republic was a democracy. A resounding 91% said that democracy is important to them.

But in the U.S., which touts itself as a global beacon of democracy, only 49% of those asked said their country was a democracy. And just over three-quarters of respondents, 76%, said democracy was important.

https://www.newsweek.com/most-china-call-their-nation-democracy-most-us-say-america-isnt-1711176

Ya I will take the people of china's word on this one.

[–] goat@sh.itjust.works 19 points 1 year ago (6 children)

yes and North Korea is democratic because it says they are.

[–] AntiOutsideAktion@hexbear.net 20 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

More democratic than the US. The US has an electoral college system explicitly designed to make electing a president undemocratic. In Korea they vote for each equivalent of a cabinet position instead of letting the president just appoint all of them. https://www.ncnk.org/sites/default/files/DPRK%20constitution%20%282019%29.pdf

If this shocks you, remember that Americans are the most propagandized people in the history of the world

[–] goat@sh.itjust.works 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Way to compare one of the least free countries with... one of the least free countries.

now do Japan.

[–] AntiOutsideAktion@hexbear.net 18 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

To the degree that Korea isn't free, it's is because they've spent their entire existence at war with the largest and most powerful global empire in history and have been cut off from international trade.

The US isn't free because it's a fascist state. The Korean peninsula isn't free also because the US is a fascist state.

Now let's hear your next vapid quip that's supposed to mean more than objective facts and inarguable history, redditor. I don't want you to lose even a bit of steam acting like you're the smartest person in the room while displaying no knowledge about anything.

[–] goat@sh.itjust.works 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

So the US is fascist, but China isn't fascist? How's that lil' diddie work?

[–] AntiOutsideAktion@hexbear.net 19 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Lol you did the vapid quip thing

How is the country that inspired Hitler's entire ideology fascist? How is a state run by a communist party not fascist?

Wow really dealing with the reddit brain trust here, aren't I?

[–] goat@sh.itjust.works 5 points 1 year ago (2 children)

The US inspired Hitler? Really now? How's that one work?

[–] AntiOutsideAktion@hexbear.net 19 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

This would have the content of an actually valuable conversation if you could figure out how to ask questions without making their purpose to come off as incredulous and incurious as you are right now.

It's literally in Mein Kampf. Lebensraum is explicitly intended to be a mirroring of the US doing westward expansion into land held by native tribes. In his writings he made the comparison all the time. It's not a secret unless you had an American education.

They even had illustrated children's books writing a new national mythos along the same lines as cowboys and indians. The United States is Nazi Germany 200 years after Hitler won the war.

[–] sudo@programming.dev 18 points 1 year ago (1 children)

He cites Manifest Destiny as what the German people should do to eastern Europe and allegedly based the brownshirts on the KKK.

[–] goat@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 year ago (2 children)
[–] sudo@programming.dev 17 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Original brainchild for Lebensraum explicitly points to Manifest Destiny: https://encyclopedia.ushmm.org/content/en/article/lebensraum. You can slap "lebensraum" and "manifest destiny" into google and also see the results for yourself. I admit say I'm not a well of primary nazi sources if that doesn't satisfy you.

[–] goat@sh.itjust.works 3 points 1 year ago

Oh, interesting, thank you!

[–] combat_brandonism@hexbear.net 8 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Zyklon B was used to "delouse" Mexican immigrants at the southern border before it was ever used in Nazi death camps.

IBM built the computers that Germany used to track their Jewish population.

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[–] Freeanotherday@hexbear.net 19 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

China is not North Korea.

It took less then 2 minutes from my post for you to reply. You clearly didn't even open the link. You just instantly changed the subject matter. Lol

[–] goat@sh.itjust.works 7 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Ah, hexbear users still struggling with federation, so cute!

Post times are different per instance, my he/him, I looked through your article, and it didn't really wow me.

China is authoritarian, filled with mass propaganda and nationalism, of course they're going to think they're great.

[–] Freeanotherday@hexbear.net 22 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Ah, hexbear users still struggling with federation, so cute!

Post times are different per instance, my he/him, I looked through your article, and it didn't really wow me.

I literally got a notification when they replied. in real time...
I know when I made my comment... less then 2 minutes before I got a notification...

Tell me more about how the lemmy works. I have only been here 4 years.

Good bye, agent.

[–] goat@sh.itjust.works 4 points 1 year ago

oh SHIT. THEY'RE ONTO ME.

[–] sudo@programming.dev 16 points 1 year ago (1 children)

filled with mass propaganda and nationalism

Yo we got that too in America.

[–] goat@sh.itjust.works 3 points 1 year ago (2 children)
[–] sudo@programming.dev 11 points 1 year ago (23 children)

So why is that what makes China so bad? Like most things China is accused doing of the US has done worse.

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[–] brain_in_a_box@hexbear.net 7 points 1 year ago

Good thing you're immune to it!

[–] GarbageShoot@hexbear.net 14 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The citation wasn't the state, it was the people, or are you going to take such an immensely condescending attitude towards the approximately 1 billion people represented in that survey as believing they live in a democracy?

[–] goat@sh.itjust.works 5 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Oh man if only we could interact with these 1 billion people. If only there wasn't a firewall keeping them all contained where all their media is run by the state.

[–] Freeanotherday@hexbear.net 14 points 1 year ago (1 children)

150 million tourists visit China yearly...

[–] goat@sh.itjust.works 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

hey, respond to the vpn comment you made

[–] Freeanotherday@hexbear.net 17 points 1 year ago

Right away. It might take a few hours due to server time differences.

[–] Freeanotherday@hexbear.net 10 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Anyone can download a VPN it's literally free on the App store. 👍

[–] goat@sh.itjust.works 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Aw sweet!

now why do we need a VPN to access Chinese Internet? 🤔

[–] brain_in_a_box@hexbear.net 10 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] goat@sh.itjust.works 9 points 1 year ago (1 children)

oh you not gonna whataboutism mentioning the US?

[–] 1nt3rd1m3nt10n4l@hexbear.net 8 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

That's a bit of a non-sequitur in this instance don't you think? We're not talking about what the name of a place is, but rather how the two countries' citizenry feel about their respective governments.

[–] goat@sh.itjust.works 7 points 1 year ago (1 children)

So isn't it good that the US people don't trust their government?

[–] brain_in_a_box@hexbear.net 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I wish that US people didn't trust their government, especially when their government tells them that other countries are pure evil and need bombing.

[–] goat@sh.itjust.works 5 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

do you wish Chinese people do the same?

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