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[–] Annakah69@hexbear.net 70 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (4 children)

You have a lifetime of anti communist propaganda to overcome. You're close, take the last step and realize you've been lied to about AES countries. No place is a utopia, but those countries are lights in the dark.

[–] BurgerPunk@hexbear.net 35 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

this most of us, myself included grew up believing the same things you do about China and the DPRK and every other socialist state. Because thats what we are all told living in the West under capitslist liberal regimes. We already know all this propganda you're repeating to us. We learned to see past it and seek out actual information about these places to understand for ourselves.

Internationalism is the most important aspect of socialism. If you choose to believe nationalist western propganda over people you should be in solidarity with, you will only help your oppressors

[–] diskmaster23@lemmy.one 25 points 1 year ago (1 children)

“Actually Existing Socialism”

[–] AdmiralShat@programming.dev 21 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Keep drinking the flavor aide.

If they're so nice, why not live there?

[–] BigNote@lemm.ee 18 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children)

That's a fair question. There's a reason why authoritarian nations don't have immigration issues, unlike virtually all of the west.

People aren't stupid; they can pretty easily see through nationalist bullshit and figure out which, if they have to leave their own country, are going to be the best countries to land in.

Guess what? Nobody wants to immigrate to Russia or China or Cuba or Venezuela. Full stop.

[–] Ataraxia@lemm.ee 4 points 1 year ago

You guys are such trolls it's like hearing a fish praise the fishing pole.

[–] fessord@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] BigNote@lemm.ee 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Statistically yes, one person doesn't count, so in that sense you are in fact nobody.

[–] fessord@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 year ago

Believe it or not, i'm not the only expat. So statistically there's more than one nobody.

[–] UraniumBlazer@lemm.ee 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children)

those countries are lights in the dark

That's what North Koreans see at night when they look across the border towards South Korea.

[–] ThereRisesARedStar@hexbear.net 11 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

The US prevented a democratic unified korea and killed 20 percent of all Koreans. MacArthur had to have his nuclear command secreted away to prevent him nuking Korea.

Read about it or if youre not into reading listen to the blowback season.

[–] SnAgCu@hexbear.net 11 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The US bombed and firebombed until there were "no more targets in Korea." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bombing_of_North_Korea Examine the primary sources if you like, they're decent. It was comparable to genocide.

And now we point and laugh at the DPRK for being less developed than the US-backed South?

[–] BeanCounter@sh.itjust.works 1 points 1 year ago

The war was even more devastating to the South. It's their incompetence, not US bombing.

They were(and still somewhat are) being backed by commie friends who were also as incompetent and, as the op says, not even commies but just dirty dictators.

South's growth, while the U.S.s' (and Japans') support was crucial, cannot be simplified by that.

And even if U.S.s' bombing is the only reason they're failing, who's to blame? They started the war that even other commie dictators thought that it's one of the stupidest war to start from one of the stupidest dictators in the world, Kim Il Sung.

[–] Annakah69@hexbear.net 10 points 1 year ago

Sanctions are hilarious! Bet the leveling of the country during the Korean war was a real laight too.