no one wants them to hit those places with artillery if the Ukrainians start using American artillery on Russian cities the Americans will have kittens

Russia has nuclear weapons which means there is a line that can't be crossed with regard to dealings with them

[–] GivingEuropeASpook@hexbear.net 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

It's all about plausible deniability. The US didn't want to arm them with anything that could reach Moscow and hit Russian territory in general, but the Ukrainians have developed the ability to do so on their own, so now US officials I think are more willing to discuss these things, since it can't be directly traced to them (since now Russia can't prove it was specifically American armaments or equipment used whenever it gets hit inside it's territory).

[–] usernamesaredifficul@hexbear.net 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

but the Ukrainians have developed the ability to do so on their own

no they haven't they're using artilery equipment we gave them.

[–] GivingEuropeASpook@hexbear.net 1 points 1 year ago (2 children)

no they haven't they're using artilery equipment we gave them.

Don't blatantly lie.

https://www.businessinsider.com/ukraine-weapons-can-hit-russia-targets-430-miles-away-zelenskyy-2023-9 https://www.cbc.ca/news/world/ukraine-develops-weapon-zelenskyy-says-1.6953132

So, if you wanna say "oh secretly it was still the US that supplied the drones or whatever", extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.

[–] usernamesaredifficul@hexbear.net 8 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I thought you were talking about artillery. Those drones are just repurposed consumer drones fitted with explosives they aren't on the scale needed to make a major difference

[–] GivingEuropeASpook@hexbear.net 0 points 1 year ago

Nope. Just to be sure I went back and checked my initial wording, and I can see why you thought I meant artillery. I should have specified that they are using their own domestically developed military equipment to strike targets within Russia, which could theoretically allow them plausible deniability to then use a couple of Western-supplied artillery, assuming they could do it in such a way that Russia wouldn't be able to tell if it was a drone, IED, or proper artillery.

[–] Staines@hexbear.net 4 points 1 year ago (2 children)

These weapons are the kind of thing the Ukrainians have developed to "retaliate" against random civilian housing blocks whenever Russia craters a command center. They're basically modern V1/V2 rockets "This will terrify the russian population into submission!!"

[–] GivingEuropeASpook@hexbear.net 2 points 1 year ago

While i don't doubt Russian civilians have gotten hurt or killed, ukraine isn't targeting city centers or hospitals deliberately the way Russia has.

[–] tomatopathe@sh.itjust.works 1 points 1 year ago

Lol really.

How many Russian civilians has Ukraine "indiscriminately killed", compared to Russia's "collateral damage" when they target "Ukranian command centers".

Reading this sort of abject nonsense on a day where a Ukranian market was hit with an S300, killing.a minimum 16 people, or when Russia spent the whole winter trying to freeze Ukrainians to death, or bombs cafés where authors and journalists are known to congregate...

You know what, just fuck you, you genocidal apologist. And fuck Russia, nation of barbarians.