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Instructions: There are 72 objects on the table that one can use on me as desired.

Performance: I am the object. During this period I take full responsibility.

Duration: 6 hours (8pm–2am.) Studio Morra, Naples

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[–] frazw@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

She did not explicitly state that she was OK with being touched sexually. Nor did she say she was OK being cut. She said anything goes but I believe monkey paw rules of language apply here. I would argue that the whole point here is that different people take the "permission" to different levels. I personally would never do anything to someone that I would not want done to myself unless and perhaps not even if they gave explicit permission. Here only implicit permission is given and the audience decided how far it went. Your point might have stood if there was some explicitly stated agreement that asexual acts are ok, but frankly I believe it is clear here that it does count as a violation at minimum.

[–] infinipurple@lemm.ee 6 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I dunno. I admire the idealism in your attitude here, but realistically we have to look at the words she herself used: "Instructions: There are 72 objects on the table that one can use on me as desired. Performance: I am the object. During this period I take full responsibility."

It strikes me that this quite explicitly states that there are no limits. I'm honestly somewhat surprised that she wasn't more seriously assaulted.

[–] fruitycoder@sh.itjust.works 5 points 1 year ago (2 children)

but why do anything like that if she clearly didn't ask for that. Like if my mate comes over and I say "my es su casa, have free reign of the place" and he immeditaly shits on my couch I'm going to be pissed, like that's a shitty thing to do, even if I did "technically" say he could, doesn't mean you should.

[–] infinipurple@lemm.ee 7 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Because when you invite someone over, there's the additional context that they are your guest and should behave as such.

During this performance art piece, that additional context does not exist. The only context is that provided by the artist, which did not set such limits.

[–] fruitycoder@sh.itjust.works 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

And ethics, morals, and the wider society.

[–] infinipurple@lemm.ee 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Art's raison-d'être is to challenge ethical and moral preconceptions. You seem to have missed the core value of this performance.

Immoral art can't hurt you, the viewer. It's supposed to make you feel emotional. You should have the emotional intelligence to question those feelings and come to an understanding of why the art in question made you feel that way.

Marina went through the effort and hassle of putting on this piece, and yet still its purpose has completely eluded you.

[–] fruitycoder@sh.itjust.works 1 points 1 year ago

"Artist use lies to tell the truth" The point of art can only be done in fiction, though. Once it bleeds into the real, the protective veneer of fiction wears off. Serial killers, for example, some of them at least, could be argued to have a real artistic purpose to their deranged deeds. Things that make people feel and challenge our ethical and moral preconceptions.

They are still bastards though, they did hurt people, and it was wrong, immoral and unethical to do so.

You also misattribute whom I blame on this subject too. She's fine as far as I am concerned. She simply choose to stand in place put some items on a table and tell people the facts of the situation, but that people that CHOOSE to act wrong are wrong for it, no matter the circumstance.

Language was never meant to be taken literally all of the time and context does in fact matter. The scumfucks who sexually assaulted her just did it because they like that sort of thing and because they can. Perhaps they have anger issues with women, too.