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I apparently skipped level ??? and went straight to believing the Black Book is fascist propaganda. I didn’t realize I was supposed to stan Pol Pot first!

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[–] GorbinOutOverHere@hexbear.net 65 points 1 year ago (11 children)

I have literally never seen anyone defend the Khmer Rouge, ever lol

[–] JuneFall@hexbear.net 44 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The Khmer Rouge were defended by the US and got up to $215 million in weapons from them: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allegations_of_United_States_support_for_the_Khmer_Rouge

[–] GorbinOutOverHere@hexbear.net 32 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Ya i know that that's why i can't imagine any tankies defending them lol

[–] JuneFall@hexbear.net 33 points 1 year ago

Pol Pot wasn't a Marxist, so there will be no Tankies that will defend Pol Pot.

[–] MoreLikeHazBeen@hexbear.net 35 points 1 year ago (1 children)

lol why is the last level beyond ???, the last level statement is just objectively true.

TFW you don't take the black book at face value

[–] Frank@hexbear.net 30 points 1 year ago

I think this whole thing is a joke. The way it lays out the 1932 famine/Holodomor is too on the nose to be serious.

[–] MF_COOM@hexbear.net 31 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] JuneFall@hexbear.net 23 points 1 year ago (1 children)

This is a situation in which I am happy to defend Chomsky. At the point of writing there was little evidence for some of the most extraordinary claims, claims which were similarly leveled from propaganda channels against socialist regimes in Vietnam and else were - often without a base. Chomsky did alter his opinion based on new sources and contrasting evidence. However the people who do critique Chomsky do it mostly for anti communist reasons, ignore his later writings and at the same time ignore that the USA did support the Red Khmer after the evidence came out for quite a bit.

Let me quote wikipedia to make a point about how it is leveled and against whom it is leveled:

In addition to Chomsky, Porter, and Hildebrand, the atrocities of the Khmer Rouge have also been denied and/or whitewashed by such academics as Marxist scholar Malcolm Caldwell, Laura Summers,[18] Edward S. Herman, and Torben Retbøll.[19]

[–] wtypstanaccount04@hexbear.net 33 points 1 year ago (1 children)

All I'm saying is that it's very suspicious that the only AES state Chomsky has ever defended was funded by the CIA

[–] BurgerPunk@hexbear.net 21 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

thinkin-lenin indeed. And he was on the Epstein flight logs

[–] wtypstanaccount04@hexbear.net 12 points 1 year ago (1 children)

To be fair he might have defended Cuba too but I can't recall whether he did or not

[–] RedDawn@hexbear.net 7 points 1 year ago

Yes he did/does.

[–] CriticalResist8@hexbear.net 18 points 1 year ago (1 children)

you can find them but they're fringe. Usually weirdos who are just dipping their toes in marxism and think the khmer rouge must have been lied about, and then outright weirdo agendaposters there to wreck communism with their terrible takes. You can spot the latter because they're historical revisionists outright, like cherry-picking quotes and parts of documents that support their narrative and usually nothing more substantial to offer if you press them.

[–] GorbinOutOverHere@hexbear.net 11 points 1 year ago

I'm just saying I ain't never seent it

[–] Ram_The_Manparts@hexbear.net 16 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I remember seeing like maybe two or three over a course of several years back on reddit.

And that is actually very telling, even on a website where you'll find tons of people who have latched on to the most baby-brained ideologies possible, many of which only really exist in vidyagames, it's exeedingly rare to come across anyone who has anything positive to say about the KR at all.

[–] Mardoniush@hexbear.net 15 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Some MLMs did even after the news got out, most notably some Gonzalo supporters. But even there not a lot would support him once he threw in with the monarchy.

[–] Ram_The_Manparts@hexbear.net 4 points 1 year ago

The ML party here in Norway (AKP-ML) did at the time, but denounced them later

[–] CyborgMarx@hexbear.net 13 points 1 year ago

The state department did once upon a time, but that's not a tale the libs will tell you

[–] bagend@hexbear.net 12 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Deng Xiaoping did in an interview while all that was going on.

[–] robinn2@hexbear.net 8 points 1 year ago

Yeah, the Sino-Soviet split "social-imperialist" line was a disaster, and it is absurd that Maoists still defend it.

[–] Gosplan14_the_Third@hexbear.net 11 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Some of the new left intellectuals did, such as infamously Noam Chomsky, or Samir Amin.

[–] Frank@hexbear.net 6 points 1 year ago

Supposedly a few exist. I've never seen one either.