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Ive been runing Debian 12 (kde) since bookworm was released and am loving it.

I have recently discovered Devuan which seems to be Debian without systemd - what is the benefit of removing this init system?

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[–] hunger@programming.dev 9 points 1 year ago (1 children)

SystemD replaced a variety of Linux init systems across different distros almost 10 years ago now but it is still resented by a significant and vocal section of the Linux community.

No, it is not. It is always the same few people that repeat the same slogans that failed to convince anyone ten years ago. But that does not really matter: In open source the system that can captures developer mind share wins. Systemd did, nothing else came even close.

[–] juliebean@lemm.ee 4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

what you just wrote doesn't seem to contradict what you quoted in any way. even if there haven't been any people in the past decade who decided they prefer avoiding systemd (unlikely), there's still that vocal minority of linux users that you yourself acknowledge, so idk why you're posturing like you're in a disagreement?

edit: a typo

[–] Eggymatrix@sh.itjust.works 1 points 1 year ago

The contradiction is in the claim that the vocal minority is significant. One could argue that the lack of mainstream distros not using systemd is an indicator of the lack of a significant population against it.

[–] hunger@programming.dev -1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

There is no significant section. It is just a few people telling each other the same old conspiracy stories over and over again.

[–] juliebean@lemm.ee 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

ooh, conspiracy stories? do tell, if you'd like. i've never seen conspiracy stuff in this debate, but conspiracy theories are a cognitive failure mode that fascinate me.

[–] hunger@programming.dev 1 points 1 year ago

Check out the devuan mailing lists then:-)