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[–] Aurenkin@sh.itjust.works 6 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children)

I think the important thing is that we are divided along arbitrary lines, pitted needlessly against each other and thereby paralysed and unable to push for the necessary policy changes.

[–] spaduf@slrpnk.net 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

The video spends a long time on the phenomena wherein men tend to feel the need to dominate discussions regardless of their actual qualifications. It cites one experiment wherein 16 women and 9 men had an introductory conversation on the issue. During this conversation there were 6 active speakers. 4 men speaking for a total of 9 minutes and 2 women who spoke for a total of 1 minute. These tendencies are mostly due to individuals desires to claim leadership of a group but absolutely leave us "paralysed and unable to push for the necessary policy changes". If you are interested in watching any portion of the video, you can skip to the part that I mentioned by going here.

The paper that the video cites: https://www.environmentandsociety.org/perspectives/2017/4/article/taking-space-men-masculinity-and-student-climate-movement

EDIT: Hopefully this wasn't double posted. My primary instance was having some outage issues.

[–] FawkesGil@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 1 year ago

Exactly. My dad is more worried about 'woke' crap and how the 'lgbtq' is messing with children's brains. Like dad, our gov't is literally stealing billions, letting corruption run rampant, passing laws to tax us more, and slowly killing our planet.

I really think we have more important issues to worry about.

[–] spaduf@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

The video spends a long time on the phenomena wherein men tend to feel the need to dominate discussions regardless of their actual qualifications. It cites one experiment wherein 16 women and 9 men had an introductory conversation on the issue. During this conversation there were 6 active speakers. 4 men speaking for a total of 9 minutes and 2 women who spoke for a total of 1 minute. These tendencies are mostly due to individuals desires to claim leadership of a group but absolutely leave us "paralysed and unable to push for the necessary policy changes". If you are interested in watching any portion of the video, you can skip to the part that I mentioned by going here.

The paper that the video cites: https://www.environmentandsociety.org/perspectives/2017/4/article/taking-space-men-masculinity-and-student-climate-movement

[–] CTdummy@artemis.camp 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

It cites one study wherein 16 women and 9 men had an introductory conversation on the issue.

Which leads you to feel comfortable making the widely generalised conclusion of:

The video spends a long time on the phenomena wherein men tend to feel the need to dominate discussions regardless of their actual qualifications.

One paper, with a sample size of 25. With no rigorous data beyond “we observed an academic meeting and the men spoke more times, for longer”. That paper also attributes a lot of reasons for why the men did this and nearly all of it based in speculation beyond the two quotes. The paper bases an astounding amount of assertions based off this incredible weak data.

[–] spaduf@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

The implication that the experiment cited was at all meant to backup the assertion that there exists a

phenomena wherein men tend to feel the need to dominate discussions regardless of their actual qualifications

is very clearly a mischaracterization. What I did was describe the content of the video in a comments section otherwise devoid of any evidence that anybody had watched the video. If you are interested in looking into the body of work that establishes the tendency of men to talk over others, I have found the full-text of the fairly foundational metastudy "Understanding Gender Differences in Amount of Talk: A Critical Review of Research". It's notable that most of the research on this topic leading up to the present day has been framed as answering the age-old question "Do women talk more?".

attributes a lot of reasons for why the men did this

Those are not reasons in so far as they are meant to explain the men's motivations but rather the methods by which they wrestle and maintain control of the discourse. It's important to understand that this is written largely to bring them to the attention of the folks that are actively marginalized by these activities, so that they may counter and dismantle these systems.