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Nothing changes and life proceeds as normal? Have you stepped outside in the last few years? Things are already changing.
Over the history of earth, much worse happened. Statistically, this change is nothing over the millions and even billions of years.
I maintain that nothing is changing, and we don't even have close to enough data to judge an earth that's 4.5 billion years old to know that anything is changing because of us, and that paying politicians more is the answer.
Wow, the denial is strong. People are actively dying this year because of events that would have been statistically improbable just 10 years ago. Considering how important agriculture is to feed billions of people on a daily basis I would argue that any change to that jeopardizes our existence; and this is just one of the many effective ways that climate change could destroy modern day society.
You can believe what you want and I hope you the luck to never encounter fires, deadly weather, water or food shortages as many people today are dying from.
I'm afraid you are severely mistaken. This is only the sixth mass extinction in Earth's history, and the first one that was caused by a species that knew what it was doing. Even on the scale of billions of years, what's going on right now is highly unusual.
Nor would any of the other mass-extinction events have been considered “life proceeds as normal”, if there were any humans around to witness them. Certainly a huge asteroid hitting the planet and shrouding it in dust for years would have turned some heads.
Have you by any chance looked at a graph of average temperatures over time?
Humans did not exist for most of that time, but yes it's inconsequential to Earth that there's warming, Earth is a rock with spinning molten metal inside so it doesn't care. But it's pretty fucking important to all the things living on the Earth that there's warming beyond what they evolved to withstand.
When it comes to climate change we know the mechanism that keeps earth warmer than other random space rocks circling the sun (Greenhouse effect, which was discovered in 1856), we know which gasses contribute to that greenhouse effect, we know that we've added a shit ton of them which were buried for millions of years into the atmosphere, we can measure carbon dioxide and other gasses at higher volumes than they've been since humans existed, which also coincides with when we started releasing them in vast quantities.
After we've got the means, the methods, and the triggers, what more do you need to beyond a reasonable doubt to realize man made climate change?
Temperature going up over time? Over how long? 100 years compared to billions, the age of earth? Do you even understand basic statistics to calculate the confidence in such a measurement?
All the bullshit you're parroting from television, like green house effect, is at best circumstantial evidence but it's not proof, and it's evidence with negligible confidence due to the huge error margin mentioned earlier. Even worse, it's not even evidence because of the oldest rule in the book "correlation doesn't imply causation", yet somehow it's still science when basic logic is broken to support a political agenda propped by ignorant people who know nothing in math and teenagers who still don't know the difference between integrals and derivatives and cry that "math is hard".
I hate to break it to you, but people who can't calculate the standard error on measurements shouldn't open their mouths about science, and certainly shouldn't ask us to surrender all our power and money to corrupt politicians for a fictitious goal.
I'm bored of hearing all this politicized nonsense. Maybe go find a book of someone who disagrees with your opinion and learn something outside of what you learned on television.
I don't think I'll respond if you bore me again.
I have a degree in statistics, do you understand statistics?
Correlation doesn't imply causation. But we have casual and testable mechanisms to validate these theories and what we're seeing. We can measure the greenhouse effect directly by experiment.
I hear your argument, Earth's been hotter millions of years ago, sure, but that doesn't invalidate human climate change at all.
I have a PhD in physics. I spent half of my life in labs doing measurements and calculating systematic and statistical errors on them in an experiment that collects data over years to get a single number. A good chunk of my thesis is on how to properly estimate errors in measurements that are years long. I have even worked with complicated concepts like propagating errors through mathematical models to minimize them.
No you don't have measurements to validate anything. You have "this line goes up, this other line goes up, and we think we can explain it with green house nonsense, and hence the correlation coefficient is 1.00000", and hence we caused it. You think I haven't seen this nonsense? 99.99% of the people have no idea what the hell they're talking about.
Yes, earth went hotter and colder million times before. This invalidates climate change. We have no proof, not even statistical, that humans caused anything. We only have political agendas and research groups who get funding if they agree to come to that result. And we have dumb people who don't understand basic logic or can add two fractions parrot what the television says in fear.
This is what climate change deniers say when they realize they are in too deep and have no idea what they are talking about.
Or people who have better things to do.
OK, teenager.