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[–] Cleverdawny@lemm.ee 12 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I'm an American. No European country is a socialist nation.

[–] dontcarebear@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

What are the minimal requirements of a nation to uphold in order to be considered socialist?

[–] Cleverdawny@lemm.ee 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

A good faith attempt to end the capitalist mode of production and move to the socialist mode as envisioned by Marx. Elimination of the role of capital in the ownership of industry or production, that's your chief characteristic

[–] dontcarebear@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Oh by that measure I wholeheartedly agree, there is not a single socialist nation in Europe.

How would you describe the European legislation to protect their citizens from the effects of the market and capital? (Welfare, worker rights, pensions, limited work hours, paid leave etc.)

I'm not looking for dialectical nitpicking (maybe Socratic questioning), I'm asking out of curiosity and a want to understand the differences.

[–] Cleverdawny@lemm.ee 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

That's social liberalism. It's an offshoot of democratic socialism which discarded the goal of transition to socialism for continuing to reform capitalism. It also describes the US New Deal Coalition.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_liberalism

[–] dontcarebear@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 year ago

Thank you, very informative.