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[–] GaveUp@hexbear.net 24 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Anybody can buy chips from NVIDIA and AMD, I'm not sure I follow

[–] GarbageShoot@hexbear.net 20 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I believe the suggestion is that they then reverse-engineered them and used what they learned in violation of IP law. I don't follow this, so I don't know if it's true, and I would support China doing this because fuck those companies and the US, but I believe that's the accusation.

[–] GaveUp@hexbear.net 22 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Yea I mean I know China has reverse engineered a lot of Soviet and Russian weapons exports but I don't think chips and semiconductors is the same since the difficulty is in manufacturing and not what's in it

Companies generally have to transfer IP to even operate in China which is why the stealing IP generally doesn't even have to happen

[–] charlie@hexbear.net 7 points 1 year ago

Thanks, this finally makes me gets what they're actually saying with that stupid "China is stealing IP" mouth fart.

[–] Zuberi@lemmy.dbzer0.com 9 points 1 year ago (2 children)

The more I thought about it, the less it made sense; at least how it was built up in my head.

They were just purchasing the chips, and now the USA is trying to block those purchases AND encroach all around the SEA sea while positioning China as aggressors.

Do no Chinese firms have schematics for the chips to be made in Taiwan? Or will this just force China to design their own based on the current top-of-the-line?

I'm not against it, I'm merely posturing questions to learn.

[–] zephyreks@programming.dev 17 points 1 year ago

Semiconductors are hard.

First you need the lithography machines (ASML). Then you need the process development (TSMC, Samsung, Intel). Then you need the EDA tools (Synopsys, Cadence).

SMEE announced a 28nm-capable lithography machine, SMIC has a gimped 7nm process, and Huawei has EDA tools capable down to 14nm.

However, necessity is the mother of invention. I'm expecting the next few years to see an explosion in specialized hardware coming out of Chinese companies.