The IDF represent an armed faction of the secular Jews of Israel. They will make a distinction of Israelis and Israelites, with the Orthodox being the latter. Before the Romans, there were the states of Israel (Tel Aviv) and Judea (Jerusalem), so that separation continues in their mind.
If their kids were conscripted, they fear the secular influences upon them and it is a driving factor in their opposition to conscription.
Surprisingly, there are factions of Orthodox who don't believe the state of Israel should exist, at least until the Messiah returns. So they oppose the armed faction of the illegitimate state.

There is so much I can't even begin to explain, and I'm sure some Israelis would even have corrections from what I learned over there. The Orthodox live a decent lifestyle which is 100% paid for by the Secular community, so they can spend their days studying and causing trouble for others. When you hear about armed groups shooting at Palestinians and burning down homes, you're making a safe bet if you assume they're Orthodox.

[–] LeonidasFett@lemmy.world -1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

But if not for Israel and their insanely good battlefield record/nukes, these settlers would be dead within a few days for sure. There are lots of Muslims who are really pissed off at Jews generally and the settlers specifically in the region.

[–] Fazoo@lemmy.ml 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Some of you seem to have trouble staying on topic. This was a discussion on why the Orthodox don't like the IDF. If you'd like to discuss other issues, make a new post and I'll see you there.

[–] LeonidasFett@lemmy.world -1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I WAS talking about orthodox Jews, smartass.

[–] Fazoo@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

You were talking about them, but not in the context of the discussion, dumbass. Your reading comprehension needs a tune up.

[–] LeonidasFett@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

The report me or fuck off. You don't get to tell people what they can and cannot post.

Your entitlement needs a tune down.

[–] Fazoo@lemmy.ml 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

So you post something irrelevant to the discussion and then get aggressive over being told so? Grow the fuck up.

[–] LeonidasFett@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

How about you follow your own advice and shut the fuck up.

[–] Fazoo@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

It is incredible how childish you've become after a simple failure on your part. Lol

[–] LeonidasFett@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Stay on topic you retard. This post is about jews!

[–] Fazoo@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 year ago

Once again proving your lack of comprehension. Well done, child.

[–] Historical_General@lemm.ee -3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

90 percent of war crimes and abuses that I hear about tend to be idf related. Whenever I hear about settlers, it's normally about them stealing a house or occupying.

[–] Fazoo@lemmy.ml 6 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Then you're not actually paying attention to what is happening. Just whatever headline pops up when you happen to be watching.

The Orthodox community isn't an army, so the crimes they commit would never be labeled as war crimes.

[–] Historical_General@lemm.ee 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

I hear about lsrael wanting to conscript Orthodox youngsters into the army, and a birth rate issue.

[–] Fazoo@lemmy.ml 0 points 1 year ago

They always have, and there is an Orthodox unit with special rules. The community doesn't like it though. As for birth rate, that's strictly for the Secular side. Orthodox women are, to put it bluntly, giving birth as a job. This is part of the issue between them and the Secular Jews that fund their lifestyle. Who the hell wants to pay high taxes so someone else's family of 10 can live without working?