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I'm not removing it. Not because the result of the poll is like that, but because I'm tired of being called a child abuser by people. Even if they are right or wrong. My apologies to those who think otherwise.
As you know, we've had a lot of drama about age in last days. And I'm so sorry to open a new one. I hope I don't use the wrong word this time :)
You can see current rules below, which suggested by @throwawayforratings@lemmynsfw.com in here.
- 1: No sexual depictions of real people under the age of 18. Period.
- 2: No sexual artwork of fictional characters who are canonically under the age of 18. (eg, Sailor Moon, Rei Ayanami, Lisa Simpson, etc.) This includes “aged up” versions of such characters.
- 3: No sexual artwork of fictional characters who unambiguously appear under the age of 18, regardless of canonical age. This includes, but is not limited to, “3,000 year old dragon loli” type characters. The basis for this will be behavior and physical appearance. Admin/mod’s decision is final.
- 4: Sexual artwork of fictional characters with no canonical age and ambiguously youthful appearance is allowed, at admin/mod’s discretion.
The problem is rule 2. In the current hentai communities, if we look at canonical age, it's around 30% underage. However, looking at the images, not all of these contents appear as underage. Check out some of the reports:
- https://lemmynsfw.com/pictrs/image/f421e2c6-12d3-4c88-b834-01a0a1bcd2d1.jpeg
- https://lemmynsfw.com/pictrs/image/967e8735-0996-4712-880f-799be80b7cd9.jpeg
- https://iili.io/H6Bp9v2.md.png
- https://iili.io/HPhp97n.jpg
- https://iili.io/H6CJPWP.png
These characters are all canonically underage, but only last one (and maybe 3th) looks underage. This makes moderation difficult. Anyway, I wanted to ask everyone because I'm very indecisive about this. IDK how Reddit handled these.
Do you think we should remove the 2nd rule and examine it under the 3rd rule or should the rule remain?
https://strawpoll.com/ajnEOA2PBZW
Also we're looking for an admin
We are looking for someone who is especially knowledgeable about hentai, who can take care of this business regardless of the outcome of the decision. I sent an offer to @securitas@lemmynsfw.com regarding this. Looking for another admin too.
I know this is over but let me add something:
If it's not illegal for the region your server is located, then there's no technical or legal problem; otherwise don't ask the community, just do what makes you feel comfortable, if another instance was created where some kind of content is problematic, then it's up to them to move it or defederate, not your problem.
People are never going to be happy, they will always find some reason to whine and cry when it comes to porn/hentai, their main reason being "legality" and "morality" but will browse piracy instances because that's completely legal, no gray area at all.
It's your instance and limiting it to what you think it's right it's enough, other instances with issues will defederate anyway because they want to be able to browse in public or with kids around them without the NSFW filter activated (because that makes fucking sense) so they don't miss all the gore, violence and graphic news the federation has to offer (because that's totally acceptable).
I'm all for making the communities as specific as possible so everyone can filter them out on their own, as the capable adults they are supposed to be (if they are not adults... well I'm sorry their parents don't care about them and allow them to do whatever).
All that said, the idea is not allowing content that seems underage, I think that's good enough and covers the "3000 y/o loli" type of content because if you try to please all the "good christian kids" who try to insult you into doing their bidding, you'll never be over with it and might as well close the whole instance; people just love throwing the "pedophile" insult at the first opportunity because they know it worries others of being labeled something they are not.
Make the rules as you see fitting, the community mods should be able to comply with them, make their own and enforce them; whatever the users want usually comes last because 90% of the time the user doesn't know what they want, they just know they want it, even if it goes against what one could expect in a NSFW place.
Don't be afraid of being defederated, right now it's a hot topic because Beehaw users learned they can and now everyone and their mother wants to defederate; just let them, when they isolate themselves they will be happy and so will be the rest of the federation.
If I am going to do everything on my own, then there is nothing differs here from other centralized platforms. Although everything would be cleaner with your way. I believe that I should not be provoked by people's words. I guess that's my problem.
I mean... in a sort of way it is centralized, just fragmented in small parts that talk to each other and we're being allowed to use them to interact; the community will always have opinions, maybe good or bad, but when they try to force an instance to become "theirs" without being the hosts, that's where I would draw the line.
And agreed with the later part, that's how they get to you.