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I'm not removing it. Not because the result of the poll is like that, but because I'm tired of being called a child abuser by people. Even if they are right or wrong. My apologies to those who think otherwise.
As you know, we've had a lot of drama about age in last days. And I'm so sorry to open a new one. I hope I don't use the wrong word this time :)
You can see current rules below, which suggested by @throwawayforratings@lemmynsfw.com in here.
- 1: No sexual depictions of real people under the age of 18. Period.
- 2: No sexual artwork of fictional characters who are canonically under the age of 18. (eg, Sailor Moon, Rei Ayanami, Lisa Simpson, etc.) This includes “aged up” versions of such characters.
- 3: No sexual artwork of fictional characters who unambiguously appear under the age of 18, regardless of canonical age. This includes, but is not limited to, “3,000 year old dragon loli” type characters. The basis for this will be behavior and physical appearance. Admin/mod’s decision is final.
- 4: Sexual artwork of fictional characters with no canonical age and ambiguously youthful appearance is allowed, at admin/mod’s discretion.
The problem is rule 2. In the current hentai communities, if we look at canonical age, it's around 30% underage. However, looking at the images, not all of these contents appear as underage. Check out some of the reports:
- https://lemmynsfw.com/pictrs/image/f421e2c6-12d3-4c88-b834-01a0a1bcd2d1.jpeg
- https://lemmynsfw.com/pictrs/image/967e8735-0996-4712-880f-799be80b7cd9.jpeg
- https://iili.io/H6Bp9v2.md.png
- https://iili.io/HPhp97n.jpg
- https://iili.io/H6CJPWP.png
These characters are all canonically underage, but only last one (and maybe 3th) looks underage. This makes moderation difficult. Anyway, I wanted to ask everyone because I'm very indecisive about this. IDK how Reddit handled these.
Do you think we should remove the 2nd rule and examine it under the 3rd rule or should the rule remain?
https://strawpoll.com/ajnEOA2PBZW
Also we're looking for an admin
We are looking for someone who is especially knowledgeable about hentai, who can take care of this business regardless of the outcome of the decision. I sent an offer to @securitas@lemmynsfw.com regarding this. Looking for another admin too.
Personally i think the rule should be removed, as long as the other rule regarding all characters appearing over 18 stays in place. Its very difficult to find the canonical age for all characters people post to hentai subs, and if the instance gains traction that will only get harder. Also the cononical age rule in my opinion brings up more problems than it solves due to "3000 year old dragon loli's" which in my opinion are obviously loli bait and should be banned, but would technically be over the canonical age line.
so i look at hentai similar to cosplays, if the person cosplaying a character is 30, i see it as that character at 30. If at 14 year old were cosplaying a 30 year old, thinking about them sexually would be predatory and trash.
One of the other issues, is there are fetishes that are less controversial (Itty Bitty Titty Comitty) that depending on how you define sexual characteristics are actually riskier legally/ethically than an age adjusted character (let alone more controversial fetishes like ABDL,Size Differences, etc)
I think at the end of the day, as long as the admins are staunchly against CP, we should be able to see if any communities are posting it. CP in my opinion is very much like porn in that its hard to define but you know when you see it.