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Glad it was unmanned. There's enough senseless death in the world.
If you take a look at the lunar missions for space race, you'll see many of them happened within a year of each other. It's a wonder there weren't more failures!
Compare that to today, where it took almost 20 years of planning for the Hubble telescope to come into fruition.
You shouldn't rush things in space. This is just the latest reminder.
Technically, the death would have been off-world.
Don't you think that the fact that the mission was unmanned meant that they knew that they're not ready for manned ones yet? So nobody was rushing, as you put it.
Crewed vs uncrewed is a decision made at the very beginning of the planning stages, years ago. These days a crew is just a gigantic extra expense on a mission with little return. Remotely operated missions can achieve all their scientific objectives.
Manned lunar lander is a mich complex piece of technology which needs to be developed from scratch. It also needs a much more powerful rocket which Russia don't have either. It's at least a decade of extra R&D time even if they get all the funding they need and magically get rid of corruption (which obviously won't happen).
It's unmanned not because they chose it but because they are literally incapable of making a manned mission (at the very least for a couple of generations).
Well, "incapable" is still not true. Yet. There are people and even places. Fewer and fewer.
It's just that nobody really wants anything. All those "big fish" of Russia's current regime - they are corrupt in the full sense of the word, they don't have any goals even of the tragicomedy "USSR restoration" sort. They are all simply being bought and sold by various more coherent dictatorships and factions around.
I mean, if there was hope for anything else, then that would reflect on the military and a military takeover would have already happened. Maybe not a good thing without context, but that would mean that Russia as a society is not in such deep apathy.
What? It clearly states in the article they knew it was risky... I would consider that rushing.
Sure, but it's not rushing as in "let's skip steps of the plan for the sake of time," like it happened with, say, oceangate. It was a calculated risk.
https://www.cnn.com/2023/08/20/world/luna-25-spacecraft-moon-collision-intl/index.html
We've just had more information come out, and it appears you're right about the rushing! I'll eat crow on that
That is what they said, yeah.
Yeah, but it was a weird comment. It sounded like saying "don't forget to eat your veggies" in an article about salad prepping.
It's not that deep, it's Russia and the Russians are fascist morons to the very core of their society, riven through from fsb to science, always have been, always will be
I'm trying to have a discussion about innovation in space, something that goes beyond Russia, and has a clear history.
Sorry I didn't bag on Russia enough, I thought you guys were doing a good enough job of that already without me
Nah this is not true and is frankly pretty racist. There are many and have been many brilliant and amazing Russians who love freedom and progress.
They are all either dead, in prison or outside Russia, but there's a lot of them!
Eh, I'm not dead, not in prison and inside Russia, and I don't consider myself a fascist (definitely not) moron (I have my moments, but surely so does the author of those words).
Anyway, it's still corruption, not fascism. It's a difference between depressive apathy and maniacal madness. These are the opposites. In some sense the current state of the Russian society is a result of choosing literally anything (like Putin) over mostly imagined fascists (or communists, or anarchists). People expressing that sentiment would think they are very wise, but they'd all say the same things and wouldn't elaborate how they'd come to such conclusions.
It's all those "grey morality" types thinking they are very smart. Thank God there are some (absolute minority, but how many do you need to know?) younger people for whom all this apathetic swamp wisdom has unexpectedly morphed into "I don't want to judge anyone else, but as for myself I want to be a good person and do what I should".
You realise the first human made object to land on the moon was Russian?