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I included the response I would have sent, were the thread not locked. This is how coward libs argue. They're calling the well-known study by Purdue demonstrating that the US is a oligarchy a "far left news source", for context.
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Wasn't there a founding father quote where they specifically said they needed to avoid "too much" democracy or else the masses would get empowered and use that against the business owners, or something to that effect?
I am blanking on the specifics of it but perhaps if I throw that out there someone will know what I'm talking about.
Madison, federalist 62, excerpts are posted elsewhere here
Oh lmao I didn't even read down because I didn't expect it to be here so early in the thread.
Tbf it is extremely egregious, the man in no uncertain terms says if we have too much democracy the people will seize the means
Yeah it's one of the most candid examples of class war being waged by their side.
Probably not what you're looking for, but Hamilyon called Democracy a disease in his final letter.
That's pretty standard loser talk. If Jefferson had had his ass handed to him repeatedly, he likely would have penned similar shit.
Considering Hamilton grounds his support for federalism in his opposition for democracy, I don't think so
Liberal democracy has plenty of problems, as evidenced by the failure of the Articles of Confederation.
Opposition to American Democracy in 1776 relative to aristocracy was a matter of margins. And the Jacksonian Democracy that would govern American through the majority of its existence absolutely sucked balls.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/archive/opinions/1987/05/24/the-missing-spirit-of-87/502d4184-20b2-48d1-ac33-aa02e0fd73ba/
Yeah, James Madison. Noam Chomsky brings this up frequently and one of his lectures is where I first learned, many years ago now, about the idea that founding fathers set out not to create a democracy but to protect themselves and their wealth from democracy. Runs quite contrary to what we get taught as school children.
(oops I should have read the rest of the thread but hey why not repost it here too)
—James Madison
So he basically got what he wanted
Exactly right