From all the concern trolling I see in the other instances it's clear that there's no winning over these people. Everything is "Kremlin propaganda" to them. I do think a lot of chapos did go a little overboard with the PPB, but even thoughtful responses were met with the "hateful rhetoric" and "Kremlin talking points" BS. As always, it is to the Global South we must look to for any hope in the future...

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[–] TraschcanOfIdeology@hexbear.net 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I've read some about that, and also how Marx gave some serious thought to ecological issues and their interaction with capital/socialism. Still, Marx, thinking as hard as he did on stuff like this did think that, so we can give some grace to Metropolitan leftists for reaching a similar conclusion.

[–] SeborrheicDermatitis@hexbear.net 3 points 1 year ago

Yeah I definitely agree with you there. It's understandable for a great number of reasons-not just intellectually, but the fact we, as socialists and humans, want meaning in our lives and to make meaningful change. The idea that we're stuck in a society structured so hard against revolution-and that we are therefore impotent and cannot contribute to the meaning we have given ourselves in life-is difficult to tolerate. I mean what do you do if your whole life purpose is for nothing? Even beyond the intellectual side of things, it's easy to get into denial with it and try to rationalise some way in which you have a meaningful role to play in the events to come.

I don't really know what the answer to this is. I want meaning in my life but how do you get it in a place like, say, the UK? You either suck up that copium and pretend you can convince the masses or you just wallow in pity at your impotence-I haven't thought of any other options yet so I just swing between these two.